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    ok, try this on for size:


    THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S PARTY




    IT BEING NOTICED THAT THE PRESENT 2 (MAJOR) POLITICAL
    PARTY SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES HAS BECOME PEOPLE
    UNFRIENDLY, A NEW DIRECTION MUST BE TAKEN.

    1) THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE BECOME LAZY – ALLOWING
    THE POLITICIANS TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY KNOW
    BEST AND ARE ALWAYS ACTING IN THE BEST INTEREST
    OF THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS (SINCE THE AVERAGE
    CITIZEN CANNOT THINK FOR HIMSELF).
    2) THERE IS NO WAY TO VERIFY THE MAJORITY ATTITUDE
    OF THE CITIZENRY IS BEING HEARD BY THE ELECTED
    OFFICIALS AND ACTED ON BY THEIR LEGISLATION.
    3) THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE ALSO BEEN DUPED BY THE
    POLITICIANS INTO THINKING THIS COUNTRY IS RULED
    BY A DEMOCRACY – IT ISN’T. OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT
    IS A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC WHERE INSTEAD OF ALL LAWS
    BEING VOTED ON DIRECTLY BY THE CITIZENS (DEMOCRACY),
    WE ELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO VOTE FOR US ( NOTICE
    ITEM 2 ABOVE).

    DUE TO ADVANCES IN COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY IN THE PAST
    THIRTY YEARS, WE NOW HAVE THE MEANS TO BECOME A TRUE
    DEMOCRACY. THIS, COUPLED WITH A FEW RADICAL CHANGES IN
    ATTITUDES, CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT UNDUE EXPENSE
    OR DELAYS AS FOLLOWS:

    STEP 1: LEGISLATION

    OVERVIEW – ELECTED PERSONS ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS. THEY
    ARE ( OR SHOULD BE ) BOUND TO SERVE THE
    ELECTORATE. FAILURE TO DO THIS MUST BE SEEN
    AS CRIMINAL NEGLECT AND PUNISHABLE BY
    IMMEDIATE DISMISSAL AND IMPRISONMENT.
    REMEMBER, THESE PUBLIC SERVANTS WORK FOR
    THE ELECTORATE, THEY DO NOT MAKE THE RULES.




    ELECTED PUBLIC SERVANTS SHALL HAVE NO VOTING
    RIGHTS EXCEPT AS INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS. THEIR POSITION
    IN THE LEGISLATURE SHALL BE SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE
    OF PROPOSING THE LEGISLATION OF THEIR ELECTORATE.


    ALL LEGISLATION SHALL BE WRITTEN IN SIMPLE AND
    CONCISE CONVERSATIONAL ENGLISH WITH A NINTH
    GRADE GRAMMER CONTENT – NO LEGAL MUMBO JUMBO.

    ALL LEGISLATION SHALL DEAL WITH ONLY ONE ISSUE
    WITHOUT ANY ATTACHMENTS OR AMENDMENTS.

    PROPOSED LEGISLATION SHALL BE PUBLISHED IN LOCAL
    NEWS MEDIA AND PROMINATELY POSTED IN ALL PUBLIC
    BUILDINGS FOR A MINIMUM OF 10 FULL DAYS BEFORE
    THE VOTING DATE.

    VOTING SHALL BE BY POPULAR BALLOT AND SHALL BE
    ACCOMPLISHED BY TELEPHONE OR INTERNET USING
    A TOLL FREE NUMBER AND USER ID CODE ( SELECTED
    BY THE INDIVIDUAL VOTER AT REGISTRATION AND MAY
    NOT BE A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OR SSN
    FORMAT ). A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF REGISTERED VOTERS
    WILL PASS THE LEGISLATION.

    REPEAL OF ANY LAW SHALL BE BY THE SAME METHOD
    AS PASSAGE WITH ONLY A SIMPLE MAJORITY REQUIRED
    TO REPEAL.

    ALL LEGISLATION PASSED WILL BECOME LAW AND APPLY
    EQUALLY TO ALL CITIZENS. THIS, OF COURSE, INCLUDES
    PUBLIC SERVANTS ( BOTH ELECTED AND APPOINTED ).

    2) ELECTION OF PUBLIC SERVANTS

    OVERVIEW – PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE
    CITIZENS. AS EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE EXPECTED
    TO PERFORM THEIR DUTIES AS OUTLINED IN THEIR
    JOB DESCRIPTION AS BEFITS A REPRESENTATIVE
    OF THE UNITED STATES. ACCEPTANCE OF THIS
    JOB WILL CONSTITUTE A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE
    PERSON AND THE CITIZENS.

    ELECTION OF PUBLIC SERVANTS SHALL BE BY THE SAME
    METHOD AS VOTING FOR LEGISLATION. THE U.S. TREASURY
    OR ANY OTHER PUBLIC AGENCY MAY NOT CONTRIBUTE
    MONEY OR ANYTHING ELSE TOWARD AN INDIVIDUAL
    CANDIDATE OR POLITICAL PARTY.

    ELECTEES MAY BE REMOVED FROM THEIR POSITION BY
    MAJORITY VOTE AS FOR REPEALING LAWS.

    PERSONS APPOINTED BY ELECTEES WILL BECOME THE
    RESPONSIBILTY OF THE ELECTEE. MISCONDUCT OF THE
    APPOINTEE MUST BE FIRST DEALT WITH BY THE ELECTEE.
    IF, BY MAJORITY VOTE, THE APPOINTEE IS DEEMED UNFIT
    AFTER THE ELECTEE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO CORRECT
    THE SITUATION, BOTH THE APPOINTEE AND THE ELECTEE
    SHALL BE REMOVED.

    BOTH ELECTED AND APPOINTED PUBLIC SERVANTS WILL
    BE PROHIBITED FROM RECEIVING ANY GIFTS, GRATUITIES,
    PAY OR ANY OTHER COMPENSATIONS DURING THEIR TERMS
    OF SERVICE EXCEPT FOR THEIR SALARY AND ALLOWANCES
    ( WHICH WILL BE DETERMINED BY POPULAR VOTE ).



    3) REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES

    OVERVIEW – TAXES AND SPENDING ARE A MOST SENSITIVE
    SUBJECT WITH THE CITIZENS. EVERYBODY WANTS
    BENEFITS, BUT THINK SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD
    PAY THE COST. ONE IMPORTANT THING MUST
    BE RECOGNIZED – BENEFITS COST MONEY. THE
    MORE BENEFITS YOU WANT, THE MORE MONEY
    YOU MUST SUPPLY. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S
    PARTY IS COMMITED TO THE IDEA THAT THOSE
    WHO RECEIVE THE BENEFITS SHOULD BEAR THE
    COST.
    ALL GENERAL TAXES SHALL BE PROPOSED BY LEGISLATION.
    THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION SHALL BE VOTED ON AND
    PASSED/REJECTED AS FOR ANY OTHER LEGISLATION.

    ALL TAXES INSTITUTED BY POPULAR VOTE SHALL BE FOR
    A PERIOD OF FOUR YEARS MAXIMUM AND MAY BE REPEALED
    AS FOR ANY OTHER LAW AT ANY TIME.

    ALL EXPENDITURES SHALL ALSO BE PROPOSED AND
    INSTITUTED BY THE SAME METHOD.

    ONLY THOSE CITIZENS WHO PAY TAXES SHALL BE ALLOWED
    TO VOTE ON INSTITUTING TAXES AND EXPENDITURES. ALL
    OTHERS SHALL BE EXCLUDED.

    CITIZENS WHO HAVE ATTAINED RETIREMENT AGE WILL BE
    CONSIDERED AS PAYING TAXES.



    NOW THAT WE’VE DEALT WITH THE OBVIOUS ITEMS, WE NEED TO
    ADDRESS THE REALLY TRICKY PARTS OF THE PROGRAM.

    SOCIAL SECURITY (OR INSECURITY, AS IT MAY BE)
    A) WE ALL KNOW (OR HAVE BEEN TOLD) THAT SOCIAL
    SECURITY WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A WHOLESALE
    PUBLIC RETIREMENT PROGRAM – ONLY A LAST DITCH
    SAFETY NET FOR THE POOREST OF THE POPULATION.
    WELL, FOLKS, WELCOME TO THE REALITY OF THE U.S.
    FOR MOST OF THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, SOCIAL
    SECURITY IS ABOUT ALL THERE IS – AND IT WILL BE EVEN
    WORSE AS TIME PASSES. MOST COMPANIES WHICH USED
    TO OFFER A PRIVATE RETIREMENT PROGRAM HAVE, FOR
    FINANCIAL AND LEGAL REASONS, DISCONTINUED THIS
    PRACTICE AND NOW OFFER AN EMPLOYEE FUNDED
    (WITH EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION OPTIONAL) PLAN.
    SO NOW WE HAVE IT – IF IT’S GONNA BE A NATIONAL
    RETIREMENT PLAN, THEN LETS MAKE IT ONE THAT
    WORKS.
    B) AS BEFORE, IF YOU DON’T PAY INTO THE PLAN, YOU
    DON’T DRAW MONEY OUT OF THE PLAN. SORRY IF THAT
    OFFENDS SOME PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S GOT TO BE THE WAY
    IT WORKS. LETS FACE IT, PEOPLE WHO TAKE OTHER
    PEOPLE’S MONEY ARE THEIVES. THAT WAS A CRIME THE
    LAST TIME I CHECKED.

    C) THE SOCIAL SECURITY PROGRAM (NATIONAL RETIREMENT
    PROGRAM) SHALL BE ONLY FOR RETIREMENT INCOME –
    OTHER ENTITLEMENT EXPENDITURES MUST BE DEALT
    WITH SEPARATELY (SSI, MEDICARE, ETC.).

    D) ALL INDIVIDUAL’S MONEY CONTRIBUTED INTO THE
    RETIREMENT PROGRAM SHALL BE CONSIDERED AS
    THAT INDIVIDUALS MONEY – NOT “GOVERNMENT”
    MONEY. AS SUCH, THIS MONEY MAY NOT BE BORROWED
    OR USED AS COLLATERAL FOR LOANS TO OR BY
    THE GOVERNMENT WITHOUT THE INDIVIDUALS’
    CONSENT (AND YES, REAL INTEREST WILL BE CHARGED
    TO THE GOVERNMENT AT THE MARKET RATE – NOT THE
    PRIME RATE).

    E) INDIVIDUALS MAY NOT DRAW THEIR MONEY UNTIL THEY
    RETIRE. THE AMOUNT OF MONTHLY DRAW WILL BE
    60% OF THE AVERAGE OF THE TOP 5 YEARS OF
    EARNINGS STARTING THE YEAR AFTER THE INDIVIDUAL
    TURNS 50 YEARS OLD DIVIDED BY 12. BI-MONTHLY
    CHECKS ARE A SUGGESTED OPTION WHICH MUST BE
    APPROVED BY POPULAR VOTE.

    F) MAXIMUM MONTHLY DRAW WILL BE LIMITED TO $4500.


    G) MONTHLY DRAW WILL NOT BE REDUCED BY EARNED OR
    UN-EARNED INCOME LESS THAN $20,000 PER YEAR. EARNED
    INCOME WILL BE SUBJECT TO NORMAL TAXES AND DEDUCTIONS.

    H) MARRIED COUPLES WHERE EACH MAY DRAW INDIVIDUAL
    RETIREMENT INCOME ARE ALLOWED TO DRAW MONTHLY
    WITHOUT PENALTY – SAME CONDITIONS AS INDIVIDUALS.

    J) SOCIAL SECUTIY WILL BECOME THE ONLY NATIONAL PUBLIC
    RETIREMENT SYSTEM. OTHERS MAY BE ALLOWED, BUT THEY
    MUST BE FUNDED BY THE INDIVIDUAL WITHOUT ANY CONTRIBUTION
    FROM PUBLIC FUNDING.
     
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    although the tea party has some good ideas, they just don't get the real point.
    try this below and see how it really is from the poor peoples perspective.
     
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    It's less than 2 months till the elections and this sub-forum is a ghost town.
     
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    i don't really think so - great ideas and sound thinking.
    join the below party and get some real ideas.



    THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S PARTY
     
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    okay....
     
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    the point of this?
     
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    In essence the ‘American People’s Party’ is calling for a constitutional convention.

    Good luck with that.
     
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    Founding....ding fathers?

    Brilliant.
     
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    The Teabaggers isn't a legitimate political party and the outline DONE IN ALL CAPS is idiotic. The most offensive part is saying that people with a ninth grade education are qualified to vote on matters that they couldn't possibly understand, like budget & finance, whether or not to close military bases, authorizing research grants, cost-efficient water reclamation, and so on.

    Anyway, the teabaggers allege to have sprung from the libertarians, which is light years away from the truth.

    Libertarians are intelligent and well-spoken. They're fiscally conservative, but socially liberal. They're open to bipartisan compromise. They're a very likeable bunch.

    Teabaggers are low-information, low IQ, paranoid, racist, sexist, gullible, religious fundamentalists that are led around by talking-points spewing highly-paid shills, ultimately serving as voting base drones to the Koch brothers, Roger Ayles, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and a number of foreign interests.

    Any idea put forth by a teabagger is a bad idea.
     
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    There are some problems with your proposal.
    1. we live in a republic - not a democracy and the thing that makes it different is that in a republic form of government the people have certain rights that are not able to be voted out - they are inherent or "God given" rights and no one can remove them.

    2. Since the "representatives" have no power to legislate why have them at all? We can use initiatives and vote without them.

    3. What happens if a law is passed that is "unconstitutional" or goes against your mandate? Why not install a "constitutional court" to check to see if a law is lawful before it is voted on?

    4. What does the president do in your plan? he is as easily corrupted as the representatives and they usually have their own agenda as well.

    5. Do our rights (the bill of rights) just disappear?

    6. 60% of the highest wage for retirees the working man will have to pay about 40% of his wage into the system because there are almost as many retired as there are working. This is not likely to work.

    7. Who controls the military - and how?

    There are more but that will do for now.
    Paul
     

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