NATO is opening the door to all-out war

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NATO IS OPENING THE DOOR TO ALL OUT WAR
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AL JAZZERA
November 12, 2012

"NATO 'ready' to help Turkey deal with Syria

Secretary-general says Ankara can rely on alliance, as Assad's troops try to regain control of rebel-held Ras al-Ain.

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"Ankara said last week that it was in talks with NATO about Patriot missiles but had not made a formal request [EPA]

NATO is ready to help member state Turkey as the 20-month conflict in Syria is increasingly spilling across the border, the alliance's chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said.

"Turkey can rely on NATO solidarity, we have more plans in place to defend and protect Turkey, our ally, if needed," Rasmussen told reporters in Prague on Monday.

The NATO secretary-general also said the transatlantic military alliance still has not received a request from Turkey for a possible deployment of US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missiles.

"But obviously if such a request is to be forwarded, the NATO council will have to consider it," he added.

Ankara said last week that it was in talks with NATO about the Patriots but had not made any formal request.

President Abdullah Gul said last week that Turkey reserved the right to defend itself against any threat from Syria, its one-time ally, but that it was "out of the question" that Ankara would start a war.

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"Obviously"---

As both Israel and Turkey fire into Syria,
NATO, a name for a now unneeded
and now unholy alliance.
one that is composed of the EU, the US, and pig-tailed by Israel,
(and that includes Turkey, but only as an ally unworthy of becoming a part of the EU)
has thus announced its military support
for a Turkey that seems hell bent on starting a war with Syria
for the sole purpose of enabling Turkey to become the entrepot for transporting Mid East and Central Asia oil and gas
to a EU that looking to the future is desperate for an oil and gas source
that can compete with Russian oil and gas.

World War I destroyed monarchies.
World War II destroyed western colonialism.
World War III, when it comes, and that soon,
will destroy the EU,
and finish the destruction of the US,
and China will dominate the world
militarily, economically and philosophically.

SHOCKLEY


(I'm searching for the link)
 
NATO gettin' ready to respond to use of chemical weapons in Syria...
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NATO moves toward deployment on Syria border
7 Dec.`12 — As fears grow in the West that Syrian President Bashar Assad will unleash chemical weapons as an act of desperation, NATO moved forward Thursday with its plan to place Patriot missiles and troops along Syria's border with Turkey to protect against potential attacks.
Assad's regime blasted the move as "psychological warfare," saying the new deployment would not deter it from seeking victory over rebels it views as terrorists. The missile deployment sends a clear message to Assad that consequences will follow if he uses chemical weapons or strikes NATO member Turkey, which backs the rebels seeking his ouster. But its limited scope also reflects the low appetite in Western capitals for direct military intervention in the civil war. The U.S. and many European and Arab countries called for Assad to step down early in the uprising but have struggled to make that happen. Russia and China have protected Assad from censure by the U.N. Security Council, and the presence of extremists among the rebels makes the U.S. and others nervous about arming them.

In Dublin, Ireland, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton joined Russia's foreign minister and the U.N. peace envoy to the Arab country for three-way talks that suggested Washington and Moscow were working toward a common strategy as the Assad regime weakens. The diplomatic efforts to end the civil war come days after NATO agreed to post Patriot missiles and troops along Turkey's southern border with Syria after mortars and shells from Syria killed five Turks. Germany's Cabinet approved the move on Thursday, and German Defense Minister Thomas de Maiziere told reporters that the overall mission is expected to include two batteries each from the Netherlands and the United States, plus 400 soldiers and monitoring aircraft. "Nobody knows what such a regime is capable of and that is why we are acting protectively here," said German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle.

In Washington, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Thursday that intelligence reports raise fears that an increasingly desperate Assad is considering using his chemical weapons arsenal — which the U.S. and Russia agree is unacceptable. The Assad regime said the NATO deployment would not make Assad change course, calling the talk of chemical weapons part of a conspiracy to justify future intervention. "The Turkish step and NATO's support for it are provocative moves that constitute psychological warfare," Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad said in an interview with Lebanon's Al-Manar TV. "But if they think this will affect our determination and work for a decisive victory in this fight against terrorism, they are very wrong." Syria has not confirmed it has chemicals weapons, while insisting that it would never use such arms against its own people. "I repeat for the hundredth time that even if such weapons exist in Syria, they will not be used against the Syrian people," Mekdad said. "We cannot possibly commit suicide."

More NATO moves toward deployment on Syria border - Yahoo! News
 
You know the US Military falls under UN and NATO control right? Obama and Panetta said so.

"US Navy. A Globalist force for good!"
 
Word to the wise.....Don't fuck with NATO
 
Using NATO to attack Syria's WMDs with no threat to NATO (Turkey) violates their charter.

Now forming a coalition outside NATO isn't illegal, but using NATO to attack Syria if Turkey isn't directly attacked is not legal.

Turkey and NATO can defend Turkey's land and air, but not roll into Syria just because.
 
Using NATO to attack Syria's WMDs with no threat to NATO (Turkey) violates their charter.

Now forming a coalition outside NATO isn't illegal, but using NATO to attack Syria if Turkey isn't directly attacked is not legal.

Turkey and NATO can defend Turkey's land and air, but not roll into Syria just because.

Assad uses chemical weopons on his people. NATO jets take out his air force, artillery installations, and infantry strongholds. The Syrians do the rest. Then they decide what takes Assad's place. As in Libya, no ground troops involved, and they are responsible for their own fate. Now doesn't that sound like real conservative ideals?
 
Using NATO to attack Syria's WMDs with no threat to NATO (Turkey) violates their charter.

Now forming a coalition outside NATO isn't illegal, but using NATO to attack Syria if Turkey isn't directly attacked is not legal.

Turkey and NATO can defend Turkey's land and air, but not roll into Syria just because.

Assad uses chemical weopons on his people. NATO jets take out his air force, artillery installations, and infantry strongholds. The Syrians do the rest. Then they decide what takes Assad's place. As in Libya, no ground troops involved, and they are responsible for their own fate. Now doesn't that sound like real conservative ideals?

Sounds like Reagan.
 
Assad uses chemical weopons on his people. NATO jets take out his air force, artillery installations, and infantry strongholds. The Syrians do the rest. Then they decide what takes Assad's place. As in Libya, no ground troops involved, and they are responsible for their own fate. Now doesn't that sound like real conservative ideals?
Are you fuckin' nuts, or just completely irresponsible?

There is no evidence the Assad government has used chemical weapons.

But that's not the real issue. Do you want your home nuked?

Russia Docks Warships in Syria as NATO Arms Turkey

That ain't no mythical Islamic threat, that's the real deal! That's an enemy that can barbacue this country in less than 30 minutes.

Is that what you want?
 
Assad uses chemical weopons on his people. NATO jets take out his air force, artillery installations, and infantry strongholds. The Syrians do the rest. Then they decide what takes Assad's place. As in Libya, no ground troops involved, and they are responsible for their own fate. Now doesn't that sound like real conservative ideals?
Are you fuckin' nuts, or just completely irresponsible?

There is no evidence the Assad government has used chemical weapons.

But that's not the real issue. Do you want your home nuked?

Russia Docks Warships in Syria as NATO Arms Turkey

That ain't no mythical Islamic threat, that's the real deal! That's an enemy that can barbacue this country in less than 30 minutes.

Is that what you want?

Notice the lead phrase? Assad has not used chemical weopons on his people, but if he does, that should be our response. The Russians will do nothing for him. That act would make him a war criminal, to be prosecuted if he manages to get out of Syria alive.

I was in uniform, on base, when we stopped the Soviet ships off of Cuba. The Russians will not risk a repeat of that for a two bit loser like Assad.
 
Notice the lead phrase? Assad has not used chemical weopons on his people, but if he does, that should be our response. The Russians will do nothing for him. That act would make him a war criminal, to be prosecuted if he manages to get out of Syria alive.

I was in uniform, on base, when we stopped the Soviet ships off of Cuba. The Russians will not risk a repeat of that for a two bit loser like Assad.
You don't think there's a possibility that it might be the opposite? That maybe the Russian's have always been looking for a little payback ever since? That maybe after their embarassment in Cuba, their mindset now is "never again". That they see the US going around the world, from country to country, making up bullshit reasons to invade sovereign nations and they've decided that they're gonna draw a line in the sand and that line is Syria? That they put those two warships there to send a message that we are now sticking our noses in their sphere of influence and that it will not be tolerated?

I knew it would be only a matter of time before Russia or China said, "Enough!" It would be like them trying to do stuff in the Gulf of Mexico. We wouldn't allow it. Why do you think they would?
 
Patriot missile settin' off counter-missile missile race...
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Missile Threats Prompt More Countries to Eye Patriot Interceptors
01.04.13 - U.S. troops are filing into Turkey to help the NATO ally with its new supply of advanced Patriot air-defense missiles. It’s likely to be the first of many new markets for the interceptors.
The U.S. military confirmed Friday that U.S. troops have started to arrive at Incirlik Air Base in southern Turkey to help the NATO ally operate the two Patriot interceptor batteries it requested to contain the spillover violence from the Syrian civil war. But those missiles are something of a stopgap. Like a number of countries, Turkey wants to step up its air-defense game more permanently.

The latest version of the Patriot, known as the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 or PAC-3, is one of the world’s leading “hit-to-kill” interceptors, designed to target, impact and destroy ballistic missiles and enemy warplanes. Fears of rapidly proliferating missiles are driving demand for the system, which is music to the ears of its manufacturers. “There’s a lot of interest around the globe in the PAC-3 missile for sure,” says Cheryl Amerine, a spokeswoman for Patriot-maker Lockheed Martin. There might be more interest abroad than in the United States. On Thursday, the Defense Department awarded Lockheed over $755 million for the PAC-3. That’s actually down somewhat from the $921 million haul Lockheed received the year before. (Although it’s still a lot of cash, to be sure, and roughly in line with the $774 million the Pentagon gave the company in 2008 for the system.) Lockheed’s re-upped contract involves some foreign Patriot sales, but it won’t send these new missiles to Turkey; it’ll restock the U.S. arsenal.

patriot.jpg

Employees at the Letterkenny Army Depot work on a Patriot missile, September 2012.

But the market for the system is perhaps heaviest overseas. Lockheed’s PAC-3 partner, Raytheon, got another $120 million for supplying the ground equipment for stocks of Patriot-3′s that the U.S. sells to Taiwan. Taiwan is one of four countries that the U.S. government currently clears for Patriot sales, alongside Germany, the Netherlands, Japan and the United Arab Emirates. More are waiting in the pipeline. Like Turkey, for instance. The Turks don’t want to have to keep coming to NATO to request Patriot batteries when their volatile neighbors lob missiles and launch warplanes near their borders: They’ve begun shopping for their own. Lockheed and Raytheon formed a corporate partnership to bid on Turkey’s desired next-gen air defense system, and Amerine expects Ankara to decide if it’ll buy Patriots from the LockMart-Raytheon team by the middle of 2013.

Turkey isn’t the only country seeking to up its air-defense game. Last year, Kuwait inked a $4.2 billion deal for 60 Patriots to defend against Iran’s missile arsenal. In November, the Pentagon notified Congress that Qatar is offering $10 billion for the same system, in line with its recent emergence as a military leader in the Middle East. Expect demand for the Patriots to increase alongside the production and proliferation of cheap missiles from places like China and especially Iran. Turkey and other countries seeking the interceptors to stop them don’t want to keep relying on quick influxes of U.S. troops forever.

Missile Threats Prompt More Countries to Eye Patriot Interceptors | Danger Room | Wired.com
 
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Uh, we would know if Assad used WMDs. The US will most likely strike him with tomahawks if he uses WMDs.

As for NATO in Turkey, the Pac-3s are defensive missiles, not offensive. NATO will only defend Turkey and will only join the US striking Syria if they start using WMDs on their people.

Using NATO to attack Syria's WMDs with no threat to NATO (Turkey) violates their charter.

Now forming a coalition outside NATO isn't illegal, but using NATO to attack Syria if Turkey isn't directly attacked is not legal.

Turkey and NATO can defend Turkey's land and air, but not roll into Syria just because.

Assad uses chemical weopons on his people. NATO jets take out his air force, artillery installations, and infantry strongholds. The Syrians do the rest. Then they decide what takes Assad's place. As in Libya, no ground troops involved, and they are responsible for their own fate. Now doesn't that sound like real conservative ideals?
 

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