My opinion of Bush misleading is reinforced again

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    By Dana Priest, Washington Post Staff Writer

    In the fall of 2002, as Congress debated waging war in Iraq (news - web sites), copies of a 92-page assessment of Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction sat in two vaults on Capitol Hill, each protected by armed security guards and available to any member who showed up in person, without staff.

    But only a few ever did. No more than six senators and a handful of House members read beyond the five-page National Intelligence Estimate executive summary, according to several congressional aides responsible for safeguarding the classified material.
    This eye opening article is at
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&ncid=1802&e=1&u=/washpost/20040427/ts_washpost/a44837_2004apr26
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    This story fits in perfectly with why I feel the Bush administration mislead the public, with congress standing by. Just like I said, the republicans would go along with anything Bush said, intelligence was a small thing to get in the way, while the democrats knew that to get reelected, the vote to go to war was right before the 2002 election, they had to go along with whatever Bush said, his approval rating was upper 80% afterall.
     
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    Sounds like he was on target to me!

    New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms

    New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is being reported.

    Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media and by critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all.

    But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

    In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles -- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

    The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight.

    "There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

    Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner.

    The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

    Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects."

    They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

    But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence.

    "Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

    "Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

    When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice.

    Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:

    * A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?

    * "Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"

    * New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.

    * A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."

    * "Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."

    * "Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."

    In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- probably the No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.

    In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents.

    The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."

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    Saddam was obviously in violation of the UN, but they weren't a threat to the U.S. Those missles they talk about can't get to Europe!
    More of the duel use argument, I think we all know where that landed us.
    Those aren't the same aluminum tubes that turns out were just for plumbing, are they?

    Yea!!!More duel use, more deadly programs and research. Boy am I glad we invaded Iraq, otherwise the U.S. would long be destroyed.:rolleyes:
     
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    I'm glad you're in a position to know more about what was found than some of the best weapons inspectors in the world. Only an ass sniffer still thinks Bush claimed Iraq was any type of threat to the US directly. He clearly stated that if left unchecked he could be a threat to the US and that he would like nothing more than to get weapons into the hands of those that would. I suppose your still dumb enough to believe he ever said Iraq was an imminent threat to the US.

    Give it up, dude. There was way more than enough reasons to invade Iraq and remove Saddam and his regime.

    Yes, he was misleading. Misleading to those that are too stupid to listen properly. Have you had your ears checked lately?
     
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    Funny how you ignored these:

    ""Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'""

    New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.

    A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."

    "Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."

    "Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."

    "The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve gas, but claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they had more. But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of what had happened to their VX stockpiles.
     
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    I didn't ignore those, the reference strain would be serious if it wasn't under some guy's sink!

    I never said I knew more, I'm just saying its very likely they are totally wrong, much like the best intelligence in the world.
    Bush never said that Iraq was an imminent threat(nor have I ever said that), but Cheney said the guy has "reconstitued nuclear weapons", which most Americans saw as an imminent threat.

    There might have been plenty of reasons, but the WMD one was the reason given. Bush would never have gotten enough support if that case wasn't made, especially when North Korea had just created a nuke.
     
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    That "rubish" is costing men their lives.
     
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    If the draft comes back and I'm called up, I will go.

    I think its foolish not to question why we went to war when there are obvious questions that pop up.
     
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    Hemorrhagic fever is aeresol infectious, highly communicable, and makes your body digest its own organs and circulatory system until you start bleeding out of all your orifices, your eyes, and your pores, and then you die. It takes about a week and there isn't currently a cure. The treatment that we have could be about 50% successfull. The CDC classifies this as a 'Category A' biological warfare agent.


    But I guess, since he wasn't able to deploy it at the time, we should have just let him continue his programs in that direction till he could, eh?
     
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    Damn straight it was guarded. As Jimmy points out the report notes evidence of WMD.

    Really are Congressmen that lazy? Or just the really rich ones like Rockefeller IV?

    Now if the President didn't do his damn job the Dems demand months of testimony to find a way to crucify his ass.

    Can't walk a few blocks unless they are picking up a check or a chick. Lazy ass congressmen.

    Well I'm stumped, I read it through and there is one match for "Bush". And it's the Democrats bitching about Bush and his portrayal of information they didn't bother to even read. Which was their job.

    Dems: Bush knew! We want a new report all about his tricky ways.

    Republicans: Rice already owned your ass, give it up already!

    Taxpayers: Tell us again, why do we pay you guys?

    Nobody "went along" with faking the intelligence of WMD since it was a common belief they existed among both parties as well as most of the world's intelligence services.
     

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