More Than We Know?

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Links at site. First the story of gas plans in NYC, now this. Are we complacent? Realistic? In denial?

http://www.reason.com/links/links061906.shtml
The Jihad That Failed
"Leaderless resistance" barely dents the U.S.A.
Jesse Walker


Last week Paul Schrum, a Jewish salesman in his sixties, was murdered while watching X-Men: The Last Stand in Owings Mills, Maryland. According to Nick Shields and Josh Mitchell of the Baltimore Sun, the killer stood up about 20 minutes into the movie, "told everyone to get on the floor and fired four shots. The man then walked to the lobby, placed a handgun containing one unspent round on a counter and told theater management that he had shot someone. He waited for police to arrive."

Was it just a random moment of violence, or was it an act of jihad? The shooter is called Mujtaba Rabbani Jabbar—not a name that suggests Buddhism or Scientology—and Owings Mills is a heavily Jewish suburb. Ordinarily that would be enough to set off a flurry of speculation in the jihadi-hunting neighborhoods of the Web, but as I write it hasn't made much of a splash: The story has been posted on the conservative site Free Republic and has surfaced in a comments thread at the Muslim-baiting blog Little Green Footballs, but it hasn't dominated the discussion like the El Al shootings at Los Angeles International Airport in July 2002, or the attempt this year in North Carolina to commit mass murder with a Jeep Cherokee, or even the long-forgotten theory that the D.C. snipers were working for Osama bin Laden.

The last time a bunch of people accused an American of being a domestic terrorist—when a student at the University of Oklahoma blew himself up last October—their theory imploded soon afterwards. So perhaps they're being a little more skeptical this time around. Or maybe it's merely the fact that the news came out on the weekend; by the time this column is published the story may have erupted into a full-fledged frenzy. But even if that happens, I don't think the excitement will last long. This just isn't the sort of case that inspires widespread fear. Terrible as this murder was, it obviously was the act of one man acting alone, and that man is now in police custody. He didn't even try to kill more than one person. It's hard to hear an echo of 9/11 in a crime that doesn't rise to the level of Columbine.

On top of that, there's already at least one rival narrative, offered by the killer's family: that Jabbar was "mentally ill." His sister said in a statement that "our family tried our best to get him the treatment, but he refused." The details of the alleged illness were left vague, and the Sun's Rona Marech reports that it "was never diagnosed."

Meanwhile, the murderer turns out to have a website. I'd love to report that it fits one of the obvious narratives—that it shows clear signs of anti-Semitism, mental impairment, or some other easy explanation for the attack. But all it advertises is Jabbar's "editorial services," and all it exudes is laziness and poor Web design. An earlier version of the page offers a quiz instead: "What should I do with my website?" As of November 24, 2003, "Porn Site" was edging out "Religious Site," 100 votes to 70—but then the porn option disappears. Despite that, the only religious content I can find is a few posts on the guestbook. The most haunting comment was written by one Mujtaba Sharif: "The word 'mujtaba' has a literal meaning of 'the chosen one'. And that's because it was the name of our Holy Prophet(PBUH)... May all of be chosen to do some good and divine deed."

Pundits have endlessly debated whether incidents like this, the El Al shootings, and so on qualify as "terrorism." If this murder was politically motivated—and obviously it's too early to assume that it is—I don't have any problem calling the killer a terrorist. It would be a particularly pathetic sort of terrorism, though: a kind that inspires grief but little actual terror.

Acts like this, the argument goes, represent "leaderless resistance," a mode of asymmetrical warfare in which the fighters act without any coordination at all; it is not a conspiracy, or even necessarily a network, in the ordinary senses of those words. This is a fine thing to fear if there are a lot of willing assassins out there, and I could see it stoking anxieties in Amsterdam or Jerusalem—but in America? A few sporadic crimes, none of them inspiring a wave of copycats; a campaign whose body count over several years could be dwarfed by just one night of gang warfare; a would-be soldier who's willing to slay one man then turn himself in—this isn't a sequel to 9/11, it's a short-lived spinoff that never made it past the pilot. These attacks are so rare, they if anything highlight how unwilling American Muslims are to kill for Allah. If this country were swimming with volunteer fifth-columnists, we would have seen a lot more mayhem by now.

It hardly matters whether isolated murderers are driven by their interpretation of the Koran, by some deficiency in their brains, or by any other explanation for their deeds. You can deal with them the way you deal with any other solitary criminals. There is real danger in an organized network of terrorists, and there is real danger in a substantial subculture willing to engage in unorganized terror. But attacks like the hit-and-run in North Carolina, the airport shootings in L.A., and this maybe-Muslim murder fit neither category. Bloody and evil as they are, their chief effect is to make jihad seem mundane.
 
Interesting article. I think the thing is that a single act of violence which can be for motives having nothing to do with terror and committed by a single person acting alone, just don't set off the bells and whistles for the rest of us.

I think a far greater danger is in the fact that the recently disclosed gas attacks were aborted, not because our FBI was on to the plot, but because the intended attackers didn't think it was spectacular enough.

The best weapon in the WOT is intel...and we're sadly lacking in an efficient system for its delivery.
 
jillian said:
Interesting article. I think the thing is that a single act of violence which can be for motives having nothing to do with terror and committed by a single person acting alone, just don't set off the bells and whistles for the rest of us.

I think a far greater danger is in the fact that the gas attacks were aborted, not because our FBI was on to the plot, but because the intended attackers didn't think it was spectacular enough.

The best weapon in the WOT is intel...and we're sadly lacking in an efficient system for its delivery.
Ok, a random person that just happened to be Muslim, attacks unprovoked another person, who just happens to be Jewish. Right.
 
jillian said:
Interesting article. I think the thing is that a single act of violence which can be for motives having nothing to do with terror and committed by a single person acting alone, just don't set off the bells and whistles for the rest of us.

I think a far greater danger is in the fact that the gas attacks were aborted, not because our FBI was on to the plot, but because the intended attackers didn't think it was spectacular enough.

The best weapon in the WOT is intel...and we're sadly lacking in an efficient system for its delivery.

wait--you think we have all we need and it's just not getting to the right people on time?
 
Kathianne said:
Ok, a random person that just happened to be Muslim, attacks unprovoked another person, who just happens to be Jewish. Right.

Well, the area was largely jewish, chances were that the victim of any shooting in that theatre had a greater chance of being jewish than not.

There isn't enough information about the attacker or his motives for me to make a judgment as to whether he was a jihadi or just a lone psycho.
 
Kathianne said:
Ok, a random person that just happened to be Muslim, attacks unprovoked another person, who just happens to be Jewish. Right.

And that immediately means its an act of terrorism?:bong420:
 
dilloduck said:
And that immediately means its an act of terrorism?:bong420:
I'd say it's a warning of such, yes. A communion if you will, with others that would carry out jihad.
 
jillian said:
Well, the area was largely jewish, chances were that the victim of any shooting in that theatre had a greater chance of being jewish than not.

There isn't enough information about the attacker or his motives for me to make a judgment as to whether he was a jihadi or just a lone psycho.

Can you explain something to me?

Why is it that people like you have no problem holding judgment, or seeing the other side of a situation when it comes to things like this, but you are so judgmental when it comes to things that do not fit your politics?

On another thread just a few days ago you had no problem calling the Swift Boat Vets liars. But now here you are, saying that this crime committed against a Jew needs more information.

I only ask you because it is my observation that many liberals are anti-Jewish. By that, I do not mean that they are anti-semetic. I don't think they think about it that much to be anti-semetic. It's all related to Bush hatred.

There is an entire faction of the liberal block who believe that Bush is using Israel as a way to make the End Of Days come about. A lot of them believe that Bush's devotion to his Christian faith, and his inner circle of advisors, many of whom are Jews, are trying to orchestrate the end of the world. This is not the fringe who believe this. Go to any board that has a liberal membership, and you'll see it for yourself. There are many people out there who think that the United States support for Israel is a Christian plot. They really do.

So how come you are so quick to call the Swiftees liars, but you need to read more about a Muslim killing a Jew in a movie theater?
 
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jillian said:
Well, the area was largely jewish, chances were that the victim of any shooting in that theatre had a greater chance of being jewish than not.

There isn't enough information about the attacker or his motives for me to make a judgment as to whether he was a jihadi or just a lone psycho.

gee imagine that a muslim wanting to shoot jews went to a jewish neighborhood to shoot jews.....and they say these muslims are a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic
 
nt250 said:
Can you explain something to me?

Why is it that people like you have no problem holding judgment, or seeing the other side of a situation when it comes to things like this, but you are so judgmental when it comes to things that do not fit your politics?

On another thread just a few days ago you had no problem calling the Swift Boat Vets liars. But now here you are, saying that this crime committed against a Jew needs more information.

I only ask you because it is my observation that many liberals are anti-Jewish. By that, I do not mean that they are anti-semetic. I don't think they think about it that much to be anti-semetic. It's all related to Bush hatred.

There is an entire faction of the liberal block who believe that Bush is using Israel as a way to make the End Of Days come about. A lot of them believe that Bush's devotion to his Christian faith, and his inner circle of advisors, many of whom are Jews, are trying to orchestrate the end of the world. This is not the fringe who believe this. Go to any board that has a liberal membership, and you'll see it for yourself. There are many people out there who think that the United States support for Israel is a Christian plot. They really do.

So how come you are so quick to call the Swiftees liars, but you need to read more about a Muslim killing a Jew in a movie theater?

Well, as far as the swifies are concerned...that's something that got talked about and re-talked about and it's more than two years old. I've had more than enough time to assess the evidence and draw my own conclusions.

As for this instance, I read the one article Kathianne posted and that article, itself, raises questions. So I have no additional information and haven't solidified my view yet. I think it's also really important to assess real threats and not see terrorists lurking under every bush... no pun intended ;)

As for the Jewish issue. I think the far left of the Democratic party has romanticized the palestinians as "freedom fighters". In doing that, they tend to buy the whole premise that the parties are either "equally to blame" or that "Israel persecutes the Palestinians". They ignore the history of the region and the genesis of the conflict and also ignore the fact that nothing justifies intentionally killing babies in carriages or children in school buses or targeting innocents. It bugs them when it is pointed out that Hamas/Hezbollah and their ilk use civilians as shields so they maximize civilian damage for which they can then blame Israel. There are also those who channel anti-semetic beliefs and generalizations into this issue while protesting that they aren't anti-semetic.

What I can say is that the arguments precede Bush and have nothing to do with him. As for the end-time issue...well, it does seem like he's, minimally, being encouraged by the people who do want to see the end times come about. I wouldn't opine that Bush thinks along those lines himself because he has never raised the issue.

And, if you notice, there are certain folk on this board who believe U.S. Support for Israel is a Jewish plot. It's just an issue that seems to incite a lot of emotion one way or another.
 
manu1959 said:
gee imagine that a muslim wanting to shoot jews went to a jewish neighborhood to shoot jews.....and they say these muslims are a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic

Not every murder of a black by a white or a white by a black is a hate crime. Sometimes people are really just nuts. ;)
 
jillian said:
Not every murder of a black by a white or a white by a black is a hate crime. Sometimes people are really just nuts. ;)

didn't say it was a hate crime.....

simply pointed out that a muslim that wanted to shoot jews knew where to find jews so that he could shoot them....
 

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