More on voter fraud

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  1. Merlin1047
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    I believe that the problem of voter fraud is far more serious than most of us suspect. I am suspicious of Democrat denouncements of attempts at purging voter lists and requiring voter identification. Why is it that the left seems to feel that somehow legitimate voters will be denied their vote? Could it be that they have other reasons?

    About a month ago Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe wrote this op-ed piece.
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    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...articles/2004/09/16/how_to_steal_an_election/

    How to steal an election
    By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | September 16, 2004

    A RECENT story that didn't get nearly the attention it deserved was the New York Daily News report that 46,000 registered New York City voters are also registered to vote in Florida. Nearly 1,700 of them have had absentee ballots mailed to their home in the other state, and as many as 1,000 have voted twice in the same election. Can 1,000 fraudulent votes change an election? Well, George W. Bush won Florida in 2000 by just 537 votes.

    It is illegal to register to vote simultaneously in different jurisdictions, but scofflaws have little to worry about. As the Daily News noted, "efforts to prevent people from registering and voting in more than one state rely mostly on the honor system." Those who break the law rarely face prosecution or serious punishment. It's easy -- and painless -- to cheat.

    I learned this firsthand in 1996, when I registered my wife's cat as a voter in Cook County, Ill., Norfolk County, Mass., and Cuyahoga County, Ohio, and then requested absentee ballots from all three venues. My purpose wasn't to cast illegal multiple votes but to demonstrate how vulnerable to manipulation America's election system has become.

    It was a simple scam to pull off. "Under the National Voter Registration Act -- the `Motor Voter Law' -- states are required to accept voter registrations by mail," I wrote at the time. "No longer can citizens be asked to make a trip to town hall or the county office. No longer do they have to provide proof of residence or citizenship. In fact, they don't have to exist. Motor Voter obliges election officials to add to the voter list any name mailed in on a properly filled-out registration form. Anyone so registered can then request an absentee ballot -- by mail, of course. The system is not only open to manipulation, it invites it."

    As journalist John Fund shows in an alarming new book, "Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy," the United States has an elections system that would be an embarrassment in Honduras or Ghana. It is so unpoliced, he writes, that at least eight of the 9/11 hijackers "were actually able to register to vote in either Virginia or Florida while they made their deadly preparations."

    How fouled up are the voter rolls? So fouled up that in some cities there are more registered voters than there are adults. So fouled up that when the Indianapolis Star investigated Indiana's records a few years ago, it discovered that hundreds of thousands of names -- as many as one-fifth of the total -- were "bogus" since the individuals named had moved, died, or gone to prison. So fouled up that when a Louisiana paper filed 25 phony voter registration forms signed only with an "X," 21 were approved and added to the voter list. Continued...
     
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    Good article merlin

    and if you dont mind may i ask you what you think should be done to fix up this problem?
     
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    The mechanisms are already in place. Careful purging of voters lists with representatives of both parties present. This should be done at least six months in advance of the election in order to allow time to resolve disputes.

    And then there is the simple act of showing identification when you arrive at the polls.

    One thing not currently done but what I think would be a good idea would be for all jurisdictions within a state to send their data to a common database at the state level. That would prevent a voter from casting a ballot in several different districts. Or at least he would have to invent an new identity for each one.

    Finally, when voter fraud is detected, pursue the matter and prosecute the miscreant. A ten thousand dollar fine should be sufficient to deter most people.
     
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    yeah the id at the polls thing sound good i know that here in rock co wisconsin we have to take something that has been mailed to our name and a valid drivers lisence or equivelent. and the fine would be a nice touch for a perp trying to undermine one of our nations most important liberties.
     
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    Actually this year, new Federal laws have forced all states to require Identification at the polls. As an election judge I can definitely tell you that this was a new requirement this year in Colorado, and in many other states as well.

    You also have to fill out a Sign-In slip as well as sign the Poll Book where your name is located. If you refuse you can fill out a Provisional Ballot but it is not likely to be counted.

    Remember to bring your ID folks.

    Passport
    Driver's License
    State issued ID
    Bill from a Public Utility in your name

    There are others that I cannot remember.

    Also do not wear any Party apparel, you will have to leave and change your clothes in order to be able to vote as you cannot bring that kind of material into the polls.
     
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    Oh Yeah! Your Birth Certificate counts as an ID as well.
     
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    Or in the case of some Democratic voters - can they just use their picture on the poster hanging on the Post Office wall?

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    There was an article in our newspaper yesterday about the upcoming elections and states that should be watched very carefully: Ohio, Missouri and Florida (again!). Anyone on this board know why there is specific concern regarding these three states?
     
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    Not sure about Missouri. But i know there are counties in Ohio that have more people registered to vote then living there. thats a pretty good indication something is up. As for Florida i think someone posted something yesterday about there being alot of people registered to vote in New York and Florida and voting twice. might have been this thread but im too exhausted to check.
     
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    You're right, Avatar. I have read those same things about Ohio and Florida. Thanks for the reminder. There is just so much going on right now it is hard to keep on top of all of it.
     

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