P F Tinmore
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Israel's version of peace is everyone just stop and live their lives. Can you show me where a leader of Israel came out to say their objective is to obliterate Palestine? I know you know the Hamas leadership has advocated the obliteration of Israel, yet you claim the opposite. How?
Yeah, that's a big problem. You've only gotten half the story.
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.
"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
Don't believe me? Go ahead, pick any section of any quote and put in in quotes on Google. It's not like its a big secret.
Hamas is labeled a terrorist organization for saying the exact same things and doing the exact same things that the Israelis do. The difference being that Palestinians don't have tanks or clusterbombs or smart missiles or advanced targeting systems, because they're fucking poor. So they lob a rocket somewhere and they're terrorists.
Don't get me wrong here, Hamas are a bunch of thugs, just as terrible any of the thuggish political parties in many places that use fear, xenophobia and violence to manipulate people and gain more power. But when it comes down to it, they're lesser thugs than the Israelis, not because they're less 'evil' (whatever the hell that means), but simply because they don't have the means that the Israeli government has in imposing its force.
And, of course, Arafart had said all of Palestine shall be liberated (including Tel-Aviv, Haifa, etc.). And the Hamas charter calls Jews pigs and monkeys.
Don't you see the pattern by now? Rabin and Peres, liberals, retreat from some land. Terror. To counter it, Netanyahu, an extreme rightist, is elected. He puts down terror. But the people of Israel really desire peace in the end, so they put him down and elect Barak, a liberal. He retreats from some land. Terror. So Sharon is elected. Puts down terror. He suffers from a stroke, and Olmert, more liberal, comes to power. He offers more land to Abbas. Abbas refuses. Terror. So Netanyahu is elected again to put down terror. And on and on it goes...
That is the Israeli propaganda version.
What say the other side?