Minn. lawmaker: Fair-pay bill makes women look like ‘whiners’

[The Rabbi]

No, idiot. No one opposes equal pay for women. They oppose nanny state laws that try to dictate what that should be.
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Okay, you don't oppose equal pay for women, you just oppose having laws that would enforce that.

lol

It's the same reasoning he uses to support his opposition to gay marriage.

They arent remotely the same reason.
I oppose laws dictating terms between employers and employees in general. I oppose this in particular because it is based on a fallacy--that women unjustly are paid less than men.

 

[MaxGrit]

Simple, if you wait past 180 days to make your claim, that's your fault, not anyone else's. You get six freaking months to discover it, I see that as ample time. Who in their right minds would wait till day 181 to do anything about it? Additionally, we have a fair pay act alread in place, and this Lily Ledbetter act is redundant.

Wrong. No company should be able to give a pay differential for the same work to anyone with a 180 day Ollie Ollie oxen free 180 day escape clause.

A complainant who discovers such a discrepancy to his or her disadvantage should be given a 180 day pay bonus plus being compensated for the difference from pay date to the corrected pay date.

Let us say that you own rentals. Specifically, you own two homes that you rent out, in two different nearby towns. You need to have the lawn mowed at both of your rentals, so you hire a guy to mow the lawn, both from each respective town where the rental is.

Now one guy is nice, decent, positive, happy, flexible, willing to help out if you are trying to find a new renter, and clean the place up nice.

The other guy, is not so much... kind of short with you, always seems in a bad mood, just a bit of a jerk. But he is just as good at the job. Always gets the lawns mowed, and kept clean and maintained.

After 5 years, both of them come and ask to renegotiate their contract with you.

What are the chances of you giving the nice, polite, happy guy, a higher pay rate? And by what margin would you agree to pay more to him?

Comparatively, what are the chance you give the complainy, bad mood, jerky guy, a higher pay rate? And by what margin would you agree?

But they are both doing the same job! They are both doing their jobs equally well! Right....?

Yet, chance are, that like most people across this entire planet, you won't be nearly as likely to give more money, or nearly as much, to the bad mood jerk, over the happy positive helpful guy. Even if he completes his work, to the same quality and speed as the other.

TO THE POINT.......

There is no such thing as equal work. I'm sorry.... there is NO SUCH THING as equal work. Your attitude, your demeanor, your relational skills, your communication skills, everything is a factor in your work.

I was reading the story of a CEO who hired a lady as a sales rep. She started raking in the sales. Top of the company. More sales than anyone else. But, she was arrogant, and talked down to people. Not insults... just belittling, talking down. Had her head so puffed up, it could barely fit in the door. He finally told her to cut it out, and she directly refused, saying she was the best in the company so forget them. She was right, in that she was the best in the company at sales.... and he fired her butt on the spot, and escorted her out the door.

There is no such thing as "equal work". It's a myth. Everyone is different. No two people perform all aspects of their job in complete equality.

CONCLUSION....

Companies pay people more, when they want those people there. And there are hundreds of factors that play into the value of an employee.

When an employer, and an employee agree to a pay rate, that... and that alone... is all that matters.

If you create a system where a woman, has a special legal privileged that allows them to sue a company on wage discrimination grounds, 20 years or 1 year, after agreeing to work for a wage rate....

The results of your policy will be that employers simply won't hire women, unless it's for a job where few if any men work. In effect, it will reinforce keeping women 'in the box'.

For any given positions, where you have a bunch of men working, if you hire a women, you instantly open yourself up to legal risk. Instead of risking it, you simply won't hire the women.

You say that won't happen?

Remember the Fairness Doctrine imposed by the FCC on radio stations? Instead of risking getting sued, many stations simply didn't discuss social-political issues, rather than end up having their license withdrawn because they were supposedly unfair. They called the the "chilling effect".

When the Fairness Doctrine was repealed back in the early 80s, the number of talk radio stations dramatically increased.
http://mason.gmu.edu/~thazlett/pubs/Fairness Doctrine.pdf
From the Journal of legal studies.

People tend to avoid legal risk. If you impose this system, where a woman who has worked someplace for years, gets ticked off, and can sued for some alleged discrimination, the result will be the employers will avoid hiring women, unless they are in roles nearly exclusively for women, thus preventing them from building a discrimination case.

In short, you will hinder women from advancing outside the box.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Hypotheticals are awesome arent they? You can make anything literally ANYTHING you want.

Good luck pitching that "theres no such thing as equal work" line of bullshit. Everyone LOVES to hear hand wringing and equivocations.

 

[Moonglow]

Minn. lawmaker: Fair-pay bill makes women look like ‘whiners’

I know of somebody that will get no snuggles tonight from their wife.....

 

[Moonglow]

I had female workers on my crews and I paid them the same as the men, these chicks were tough and hard working, just like my Grandmothers....and Mom...

 

[The Rabbi]

I had female workers on my crews and I paid them the same as the men, these chicks were tough and hard working, just like my Grandmothers....and Mom...

Just like every other boss in America.
QED.
/Discussion.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I had female workers on my crews and I paid them the same as the men, these chicks were tough and hard working, just like my Grandmothers....and Mom...

Yanno..................there is such a thing as scanning documents so they can be posted on the Internet.

You also stated that women earned as much as men did, working for your business.

Cool..................you stated as much, so post as much.

I'm guessing you won't, because you are hiding what you pay the men.