The Original Tree
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But G-d says there is sin.....and you say you are never Separated from G-d, so why the need to achieve a restoration of closeness with G-d if you are never separated from him, and there is no sin?
Judaisms god is not the same as our God, this is why they say that their god says there is no sin and no Hell. So I maintain my position that their messiah they wait for is going to be what in our Bible tells us will be The Anti-Christ. I think it would help if Christians begin to realise we have ZERO in common with Judaism, it's beliefs or it's rituals this is not rocket science, if we did have ANYTHING in common with that crowd then we would HAVE to begin with also REJECTING Jesus Christ as The Messiah, then REJECT there is no Heaven OR Hell, then REJECT there is NO Resurrection OR Afterlife, this is not rocket science, it is easy to comprehend:
Judaism = NO Jesus Christ The Messiah.
Judaism = NO sin.
Judaism = NO Hell.
Judaism = NO Heaven.
Judaism = NO Resurrection OR Afterlife.
Christianity = Jesus Christ IS The Messiah.
Christianity = YES there is sin.
Christianity = YES there is a Hell.
Christianity = YES there is a Heaven.
Christianity = YES there IS Resurrection AND an Afterlife.
Oil and water oil and water. The majority of what is in our Christian Bible Judaism REJECTS, they want to brainwash those who they think they can get to to get them to follow THEM instead, they do this not openly but in a subtle way the End Game as their god instructs them is to convince as many Christians as they can to turn AWAY from Jesus Christ who is Our Salvation and instead to follow their Pagan god who will put his representative on this earth during The End Times a man in human form who will perform with the power from Satan perform the miracles so that Judaism will then say THIS MAN IS THE MESSIAH, he will have the rebuilding of The Third Temple as his seat, he will enter it and perform The Abomination of Desolation which will be him declaring himself Jesus Christ and x amount of Christians who have the Judaism Fetish will FOLLOW and ACCEPT him and WILL take The Mark of The Beast and will be thrown into The Eternal Lake of Fire with The Anti-Christ and The False Prophet. They do NOT FEAR Hell like we Christians are taught to FEAR Hell and Eternal Damnation, their version of Hell is our version of Heaven, everything is inverted and upside down in their world.
I'm not sure you can take one person's view of Judaism and make assumptions from that. I have talked to Jews who believe in just about everything you listed.
And to make a judgment upon a people saying they will do this and they will do that during The Tribulation, is also rather wrong headed. None of the prophesies specifically state who is going to take The Mark of AntiChrist for instance. In fact, as I have told you before, Jews refuse to worship AntiChrist during The Tribulation and they have to flee in to The Wilderness 'sila' because he makes war against Israel and all those that refuse his mark, for them refusing to worship him.
They will be Messianic Jews I would think.
Not ALL Jews refuse to worship The Anti-Christ, only a percentage of them do. What IS Israel in our Bible? Is it a nation OR is it Our Lord's Church on Earth, we are ALL Israelites who believe in Our Lord OR ONLY a land called Israel is to survive and EVERY OTHER LIVING THING is to perish? Again to ACCEPT what they are telling you you have to do you will have to REJECT Jesus Christ as The Messiah, you cannot accept what they say and agree with them and follow them IF they are REJECTING Jesus Christ and YOU are ACCEPTING Jesus Christ, logic dictates that you HAVE to DENOUNCE Jesus Christ and REJECT Him as The Messiah.
Lucy: What are the 144,000?
They are 12,000 Hebrew Christians from each of The 12 Tribes of Israel during The Great Tribulation who are Filled With The Spirit of God and who go out Preaching The Gospel of Christ through out the whole world. God protects these Christian Hebrews and they are Indestructable and Invincible during The Tribulation. Nothing can harm them, not even The AntiChrist.
When their preaching is done, all 144,000 of them will be on top of Mount Zion when Messiah Descends To Earth. These 144,000 will be so filled with The Spirit that many Gentiles and Jews will turn to Christ despite knowing that it will cost them their lives. Think on that.
Right now, there is a veil that is upon the minds and hearts of many people. During The Great Tribulation that veil is lifted for those people. While many will accept The Mark of AntiChrist and worship him, many will accept The Messiah and they will be Martyred during The Last 3/12 years of The Great Tribulation.
"They are 12,000 Hebrew Christians from each of The 12 Tribes of Israel during The Great Tribulation who are Filled With The Spirit of God and who go out Preaching The Gospel of Christ through out the whole world. God protects these Christian Hebrews and they are Indestructable and Invincible during The Tribulation. Nothing can harm them, not even The AntiChrist."
Yes Hebrew Christians = Messianic Jews. Hebrew Christians who have ACCEPTED Jesus Christ as The Messiah and they go out preaching The Gospel of Christ which is a Gospel that you have already seen REJECTED in this thread.
"When their preaching is done, all 144,000 of them will be on top of Mount Zion when Messiah Descends To Earth. These 144,000 will be so filled with The Spirit that many Gentiles and Jews will turn to Christ despite knowing that it will cost them their lives. Think on that."
Yes and that is WHY we must continue to pray for and help to guide as many Gentiles and Jews as we can to turn to The Light, to accept The Gospel of Jesus Christ and look forward to their Salvation and to NOT be weak and give in to The Anti-Christ's Agents who are promising them EVERYTHING in return for REJECTING Jesus Christ and taking The Mark of The Beast which will condemn their souls to Eternal Damnation, those who have no FEAR of Hell are because Hell is where they were spawned and that they look forward to returning to the realm of Lucifer.
"They are 12,000 Hebrew Christians from each of The 12 Tribes of Israel during The Great Tribulation who are Filled With The Spirit of God and who go out Preaching The Gospel of Christ through out the whole world. God protects these Christian Hebrews and they are Indestructable and Invincible during The Tribulation. Nothing can harm them, not even The AntiChrist."
Yes and they will ALL have a DNA link to The Biblical Hebrews, which rules out 99% of the world's Jews. And again the Hebrew Christians will be Messianic Jews which is not allowed in the MODERN nation of Israel.
Just so you know, The 144,000 Christian Hebrews turn to Christ During The Tribulation. They are not Christians before The Tribulation and Rapture. I believe these 144,000 are evangelized by The Two Witnesses.
Some say The Two Witnesses are Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses. We won't know who exactly they are now, but during that time, everyone on Earth and Heaven will know.
Per my statement before, I believe these 144,000 hear The Preachings and see the Miracles of The Two Witnesses in Israel, and accept Messiah then, witness The Two Witnesses being slain, then resurrected and ascend in to Heaven. It is then I believe their ministry starts.