skookerasbil
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So? Why do you think that's a problem? CO2 is both a feedback and a forcing.The ice cores do show a correlation between CO2 and temperature. What they conveniently fail to mention is the CO2 follows after the heat rise.
So? Why do you think that's a problem? CO2 is both a feedback and a forcing.
They also fail to mention that the majority of glacial retreat happened before increased CO2 emissions.
So, why do you think that's a problem? Natural variability in the past does not prevent humans from influencing climate now.
The heat records in the US mention a half century. Obviously they didn't want to talk about the 1930s.
That's conspiracy nonsense.
CO2 acidifying the oceans makes no sense since warmer water holds less CO2 than colder water.
major ignorance of chemistry on your part. Concentration of a gas in a liquid is proportional to partial pressure of the gas in the atmosphere aThat bove it, and inversely proportional to temperature. Partial pressure is up 40%. Temperature is up less than 1%. That'
That's flatly contradicted by the data.There's no evidence sea level rise is accelerating.
The oceans should be warming, we are still rebounding from the little ice age.
That's nonsense. The earth was fully recovered from the LIA by 1850.
The oceans take along time to react to temp swings.
We've been measuring ocean temps a long time. The upturn didn't start until recently. Thus, your theory fails.
The heating of the troposphere is not being registered by the satellite data, much to the dismay of the warming community.
We've been measuring ocean temps a long time. The upturn didn't start until recently. Thus, your theory fails.
I like how they say temp rises are unprecedented in 1300 years and throw in ice ages. I'm not aware of any ice ages in the last 1300 years, seeing as the last one ended what 12,000 years ago.
Random rambling.
Of course they're absolutely certain of their conclusions because their models say so. It's the certainty that drives me. They can't show scientific certainty in the surface data they're putting out now.
What's your explanation for the stratospheric cooling, the increase in backradiation, and decrease in outgoing longwave in the greenhouse gas bands? As there are no natural explanations for those directly observed factors (no models required), those are all smoking guns for warming caused by greenhouse gases. Your "it's natural!" theory is contradicted by the observed data, so your theory is wrong.
The planet warms. the oceans warm, much later, warmer water releases CO2. This is an accepted reality. Warmer water holds less CO2.. If you believe in the feedback, why did the planet not continue to warm? The planet cooled and CO2 fell. ???????
That's conspiracy nonsense.
Conspiracy my ass. Unless you are relying on manufactured historical data. The raw temperature data shows clearly that the temps in the US were by far warmer in the US in the 30s than anything now.120 degrees in Fargo ND? Even today high temp records around the US are predominantly from the 30s. Unless of course you employe "Mike's trick". As in Michael Mann.
That major ignorance of chemistry on your part. Concentration of a gas in a liquid is proportional to partial pressure of the gas in the atmosphere above it, and inversely proportional to temperature. Partial pressure is up 40%. Temperature is up less than 1%. That's a net effect of +39%.
???? Is this supposed to make sense? Partial pressure is up 40%? Partial pressure of what? The atmosphere? Please explain.
That's flatly contradicted by the data.
And what data would that be? There isn't a knowledgeable oceanographer on the planet than can or will venture such arrogance. The satellites suck at global sea level, the tide gauges are so few and far between as to be useless. Look into the battles between the two, they rip each others data to shreds. It's no different from global average temperature data. It's a joke. Missing data, averaged data, homogenized data. You've got to be kidding.
That's nonsense. The earth was fully recovered from the LIA by 1850.
NASA disagrees...
Deep Pacific Ocean waters are still cooling from the Little Ice Age • Earth.com
We've been measuring ocean temps a long time. The upturn didn't start until recently. Thus, your theory fails.
And that data sucks. A guy with a bucket and a thermometer, where ever the ship might be? You're kidding right? Care to give me the global coverage of the historical data? Care to even try to give me the current coverage of such data? I'll give you a hint, it sucks..Just like the the ground temp data today, the amount of estimated data outweighs any actual data. You've been duped.
Random rambling.
Read the article and explain to me how you can speak of 1300 years and ice ages.
What's your explanation for the stratospheric cooling, the increase in backradiation, and decrease in outgoing longwave in the greenhouse gas bands? As there are no natural explanations for those directly observed factors (no models required), those are all smoking guns for warming caused by greenhouse gases. Your "it's natural!" theory is contradicted by the observed data, so your theory is wrong
You miss the point. This proves that CO2 is the main driver of climate change? GHGs DO affect the climate, we know this. Are they the main driver? This you cannot show. Period.
As I've stated over and over and over, It's about scientific certainties. The current temp data sucks, full of missing data, adjusted data, "homogenized" data, the changing of historical data, Mike's trick "to hide the decline", "get rid of the medieval warm period", (ref "climategate"), Cook refusing to show data because someone might want to prove him wrong. This has become a joke. Anyone with respect for the scientific method would have to be appalled.
Of course, the models agree with AOC we're all going to die unless we pay racial reparation, repair all historical injustices and totally change all of society.
Idiocy.
By the way, how are the global warming predictions doing, Is NYC under water? Arctic ice gone? My grandchildren HAVE seen snow. Hurricanes more frequent and more powerful? More tornados? More drought? Do a little research on recent crop losses ( last 2-3 years) you'll find cold and snow losses. Hear anything about record snows, record cold? Of course it's all global warming. It's becoming a running joke.
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Dang this guy brings it!! WINNING!!
Just what the climate crusaders need in this forum.....another member schooling them!!