Man who shot at Zimmermann will argue "Stand Your Ground"

[2aguy]

Man Accused In Zimmerman Shooting Plans Stand Your Ground Defense

(actual source: AP)

An attorney for a Florida man charged with shooting at George Zimmerman said Friday that he planned to use a "Stand Your Ground" defense — the same legal strategy considered but ultimately not used by lawyers for the former neighborhood watch leader who was acquitted in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Such a defense would entitle Matthew Apperson to a hearing, ahead of his trial, during which a judge would decide if he deserves immunity from prosecution because he feared imminent death or bodily injury. Apperson was charged earlier this month with aggravated assault and battery for firing a gun into Zimmerman's car during a traffic run-in. Zimmerman had minor injuries.

Zimmerman's defense attorneys had considered asking for a "Stand Your Ground" hearing when the former neighborhood watch leader faced a second-degree murder charge for the February 2012 fatal shooting of Martin, but they instead opted to go straight to a traditional criminal trial.

A jury acquitted Zimmerman of any crime following a trial two years ago. The case sparked protests and a national debate about race relations. The U.S. Justice Department later decided not to bring a civil rights case against Zimmerman.

Fascinating.

FYI, FYD.

You do realize that in the Zimmerman/Martin shooting....Stand Your Ground was not part of the case...right?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground"

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.
they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

You said this before.
You were wrong then; repeating it does not make you right.

 

[2aguy]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground" but I guess that defense doesn't apply to kids.
It's weird the way Republicans believe black kids have no rights. The GOP has no problem with chasing down a black kid for, for, oh, for being unarmed?

Stand YOur Ground was not the defense of Zimmerman...maritin was on top and pounding him in the head...there was no possibility to retreat so Stand Your Ground did not apply and was not part of the defense....

People.....get your research done....

 

[2aguy]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground" but I guess that defense doesn't apply to kids.
It's weird the way Republicans believe black kids have no rights. The GOP has no problem with chasing down a black kid for, for, oh, for being unarmed?

Funny how you can't seem to ever post whats true,and constantly twist the facts to fit your agenda,integrity is a foreign concept for people like yourself.

Fortunately, that doesn't apply here. Trayvon did no more than walk to store, buy candy and soda and try to walk home. If Zimmerman hadn't stalked him, chased him and cornered him, he would still be alive.

Or if some antelope in Africa had made over the river instead of being eaten by a croc.
Martian assaulted zimmerman,if he hadn't done that he would be alive today,that's the bottom line

you don't know who assaulted who. only two people know that, one of them is dead and the other has a clear bias.

Except for the eyewitness putting martin on top of Zimmerman and pounding him MMA style....

 

[2aguy]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground" but I guess that defense doesn't apply to kids.
It's weird the way Republicans believe black kids have no rights. The GOP has no problem with chasing down a black kid for, for, oh, for being unarmed?

Considering you are lying about what happened....martin doubled back as Zimmerman was returning to his car to wait for the police...had martin just gone home he would be alive today....and probably in jail or killed by someone else....

 

[2aguy]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground"

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

I'm curious. What would you do if a strange man not the police stalked you, chased you, cornered you and harassed you for no other reason than you were walking down the street?

And if that happened we would have to see.......how about talking about the Zimmerman/Martin shooting instead.....

 

[EverCurious]

I thought there a witness in the Zimmerman case? Basically said Martin was shot because he had Zimm pinned to the ground beating the shit out of him? 2aguy I thought so too

Wasn't there also some text message or something from Martin saying he was intentionally going back to find Zimm?

 

[2aguy]

I thought there a witness in the Zimmerman case? Basically said Martin was shot because he had Zimm pinned to the ground beating the shit out of him? 2aguy I thought so too

Wasn't there also some text message or something from Martin saying he was intentionally going back to find Zimm?

Martin was actually on the phone with a friend....said some aggressive things about zimmerman...and he was within walking distance of his dad's townhouse and didn't go there...he doubled back....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Zimmerman: Not guilty.
Further discussion: Irrelevant

 

[ogibillm]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground" but I guess that defense doesn't apply to kids.
It's weird the way Republicans believe black kids have no rights. The GOP has no problem with chasing down a black kid for, for, oh, for being unarmed?

Funny how you can't seem to ever post whats true,and constantly twist the facts to fit your agenda,integrity is a foreign concept for people like yourself.

Fortunately, that doesn't apply here. Trayvon did no more than walk to store, buy candy and soda and try to walk home. If Zimmerman hadn't stalked him, chased him and cornered him, he would still be alive.

Or if some antelope in Africa had made over the river instead of being eaten by a croc.
Martian assaulted zimmerman,if he hadn't done that he would be alive today,that's the bottom line

you don't know who assaulted who. only two people know that, one of them is dead and the other has a clear bias.

Except for the eyewitness putting martin on top of Zimmerman and pounding him MMA style....

Which could have been self defense stand your ground style. We dont know.

 

[ogibillm]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground"

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.
they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

You said this before.
You were wrong then; repeating it does not make you right.

What part of the jury decision said that Zimmerman acted in self-defense?

 

[EverCurious]

I thought there a witness in the Zimmerman case? Basically said Martin was shot because he had Zimm pinned to the ground beating the shit out of him? 2aguy I thought so too

Wasn't there also some text message or something from Martin saying he was intentionally going back to find Zimm?

Martin was actually on the phone with a friend....said some aggressive things about zimmerman...and he was within walking distance of his dad's townhouse and didn't go there...he doubled back....

Ah yes, I knew it was something with a cellphone.

 

[ogibillm]

I thought there a witness in the Zimmerman case? Basically said Martin was shot because he had Zimm pinned to the ground beating the shit out of him? 2aguy I thought so too

Wasn't there also some text message or something from Martin saying he was intentionally going back to find Zimm?

Martin was actually on the phone with a friend....said some aggressive things about zimmerman...and he was within walking distance of his dad's townhouse and didn't go there...he doubled back....

Ah yes, I knew it was something with a cellphone.

Those claims need to be backed up. Nobody testified martin doubled back

 

[M14 Shooter]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground"

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.
they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

You said this before.
You were wrong then; repeating it does not make you right.

What part of the jury decision said that Zimmerman acted in self-defense?

I wasn't aware that juries issued opinion with their decisions,.
Do you have a copy of that opinion?

 

[ogibillm]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground"

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.
they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

You said this before.
You were wrong then; repeating it does not make you right.

What part of the jury decision said that Zimmerman acted in self-defense?

I wasn't aware that juries issued opinion with their decisions,.
Do you have a copy of that opinion?

They don't. That's the point.
Why do you keep claiming then that the jury found that martin attacked zimmerman then?

 

[M14 Shooter]

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.
they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

You said this before.
You were wrong then; repeating it does not make you right.

What part of the jury decision said that Zimmerman acted in self-defense?

I wasn't aware that juries issued opinion with their decisions,.
Do you have a copy of that opinion?

They don't. That's the point.
Why do you keep claiming then that the jury found that martin attacked zimmerman then?

I did not claim that he did.
i did say:
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense
That is, they believed Zimmerman's claims, and not the prosecution's evidence to the contrary.
This is proven by the acquittal.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground"

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.

they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

Wrong. After the trial, jurors were interviewed and quoted as saying there was "no doubt" it was self defense. That flatly contradicts your claim.

 

[ogibillm]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground"

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.

they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

Wrong. After the trial, jurors were interviewed and quoted as saying there was "no doubt" it was self defense. That flatly contradicts your claim.

i know of two jurors that have spoken out - B37 and B29.
B37 says she believes Zimmerman, B29 does not.

 

[ogibillm]

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.
they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

You said this before.
You were wrong then; repeating it does not make you right.

What part of the jury decision said that Zimmerman acted in self-defense?

I wasn't aware that juries issued opinion with their decisions,.
Do you have a copy of that opinion?

They don't. That's the point.
Why do you keep claiming then that the jury found that martin attacked zimmerman then?

I did not claim that he did.
i did say:
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense
That is, they believed Zimmerman's claims, and not the prosecution's evidence to the contrary.
This is proven by the acquittal.

why are you having difficulty understanding that an acquittal is not the same as acceptance or endorsement of the defense's story? that the jury was not deciding if it was self defense, they were deciding if the prosecution could prove it wasn't. the prosecution could not, but that's not the same as the defense proving that zimmerman acted in self-defense.

they didn't have to believe zimmerman to acquit, they just had to find that his defense raised reasonable doubt. that's not a terribly high bar.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Funny, it was Zimmerman who tracked and chased down that kid as evidenced by Zimmerman's phone call to the police. Zimmerman claimed "stand your ground"

False.
He claimed self-defense, but not SYG.
The jury, with all the facts in hand, agreed that it was self-defense.

you really don't understand the jury's verdict.

they found him not guilty. that does not mean they agreed with his version of events, or endorsed them - just that they was insufficient evidence to find him guilty.

Wrong. After the trial, jurors were interviewed and quoted as saying there was "no doubt" it was self defense. That flatly contradicts your claim.

i know of two jurors that have spoken out - B37 and B29.
B37 says she believes Zimmerman, B29 does not.

That would make them human. I'm also pissed off that a 17 year old boy is dead because Rambo couldn't follow instructions. I have no doubt every one of those jurors despised that POS. But the facts of the case and all the evidence pointed to Martin giving Zimmerman reason to fear for his life. Their verdict is the strongest argument that can be made.