Man uses his concealed gun to save life of woman entering abortion clinic...likely there to kill her baby. Leftists cry.

[Hollie]

You noticed I skipped around your conjecture of what would have happened if the German Jews had guns. Sorry, but the self-entitled all-knowing, all-seeing clairvoyant leftist who rewrites history with the ''... because I say so'', meme is not worth anyone's time.

Uh, okay. Well, did you think that Dr. Goebbels was going to give a "fair and balanced" view of the shootout between a Jewish person and the SS?

Let me give you a hint. The ministry of propaganda used to publish a "Criminal Jew Report". The Nazis had the German people convinced the Jews did a bunch of things they didn't do.. imagine if they did manage to murder a German soldier or policeman?

This is the whole problem with the crazies who think "I needs my guns to fights the government". The government will always have better guns and usually more public support.

It's fine if you agree that Stalin was a hero. That's not surprising as leftists often view sociopaths as heroes.

Again, you guys support Trump... that's a sociopath.

Um, okay,. I see you abandoned your claim to the all-knowing, all-seeing leftist who can predict future events.

Let me enlighten you. The historical fact is that the worst of the leftist dystopias had a pattern of disarming the public to allow the worst atrocities.

The Founders of this country knew of government tyranny and oppression.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

Again. Your delicate leftist feelings are hurt.

Jefferson had no idea of a country with such a powerful military.

Wow. Kinda' stating the obvious there.


One can argue far better that having come from oppressive theocracies themselves, the Founding Fathers were very much aware of the dangers of unbridled government.

 

[NoNukes]

You noticed I skipped around your conjecture of what would have happened if the German Jews had guns. Sorry, but the self-entitled all-knowing, all-seeing clairvoyant leftist who rewrites history with the ''... because I say so'', meme is not worth anyone's time.

Uh, okay. Well, did you think that Dr. Goebbels was going to give a "fair and balanced" view of the shootout between a Jewish person and the SS?

Let me give you a hint. The ministry of propaganda used to publish a "Criminal Jew Report". The Nazis had the German people convinced the Jews did a bunch of things they didn't do.. imagine if they did manage to murder a German soldier or policeman?

This is the whole problem with the crazies who think "I needs my guns to fights the government". The government will always have better guns and usually more public support.

It's fine if you agree that Stalin was a hero. That's not surprising as leftists often view sociopaths as heroes.

Again, you guys support Trump... that's a sociopath.

Um, okay,. I see you abandoned your claim to the all-knowing, all-seeing leftist who can predict future events.

Let me enlighten you. The historical fact is that the worst of the leftist dystopias had a pattern of disarming the public to allow the worst atrocities.

The Founders of this country knew of government tyranny and oppression.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

Again. Your delicate leftist feelings are hurt.

Jefferson had no idea of a country with such a powerful military.

Wow. Kinda' stating the obvious there.


One can argue far better that having come from oppressive theocracies themselves, the Founding Fathers were very much aware of the dangers of unbridled government.

A shame that you needed the obvious stated to you.

 

[Hollie]

You noticed I skipped around your conjecture of what would have happened if the German Jews had guns. Sorry, but the self-entitled all-knowing, all-seeing clairvoyant leftist who rewrites history with the ''... because I say so'', meme is not worth anyone's time.

Uh, okay. Well, did you think that Dr. Goebbels was going to give a "fair and balanced" view of the shootout between a Jewish person and the SS?

Let me give you a hint. The ministry of propaganda used to publish a "Criminal Jew Report". The Nazis had the German people convinced the Jews did a bunch of things they didn't do.. imagine if they did manage to murder a German soldier or policeman?

This is the whole problem with the crazies who think "I needs my guns to fights the government". The government will always have better guns and usually more public support.

It's fine if you agree that Stalin was a hero. That's not surprising as leftists often view sociopaths as heroes.

Again, you guys support Trump... that's a sociopath.

Um, okay,. I see you abandoned your claim to the all-knowing, all-seeing leftist who can predict future events.

Let me enlighten you. The historical fact is that the worst of the leftist dystopias had a pattern of disarming the public to allow the worst atrocities.

The Founders of this country knew of government tyranny and oppression.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

Again. Your delicate leftist feelings are hurt.

Jefferson had no idea of a country with such a powerful military.

Wow. Kinda' stating the obvious there.


One can argue far better that having come from oppressive theocracies themselves, the Founding Fathers were very much aware of the dangers of unbridled government.

A shame that you needed the obvious stated to you.

I didn't.

I'm surprised you didn't realize the Founders recognized the dangers that governments can impose on the citizenry.

The entire constitution defines rules that limit the government's involvement in the citizen's lives. It is clearly a muzzle on the state's ability to dictate to the citizenry what it can and cannot do within the paradigm of the federal mandate. Certainly rule of law is to be enforced, but that is also controlled at the local level. It does not take any stretch of imagination to understand that the framers of the constitution intended to place limits such that government is restrained from interfering with individual freedoms, such as the freedom to bear arms.

 

[2aguy]

With just about every post, you lie.....

Obviously, you flunked history. The Weimar Republic instituted gun laws, but the Nazis revoked most of them because they saw gun ownership as a symbol of Aryan "manliness". And those Germans never raised their guns against the Nazis... they fought for Hitler down to the last old man and little boy

The national socialists used the gun registration lists....implemented in the 1920s, to take guns away from the very people they planned on murdering, the Jews, political enemies and the various groups they planned on targeting for death....so you anti-gun extremists keep pedaling the lie that the national socialists increased gun ownership...you idiots

No, gun nut. The German Jews really weren't the issue in the Holocaust. Most of them had the good sense to flee Germany before the war started. In fact, 75% of Germany and Austria's Jews survived the war because they got the fuck out of the way.

Most of the Jews who were killed were in Poland, Hungary and Russia....

Now, the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto had guns... but they didn't even TRY taking on the Nazis until 1944 when they heard the Red Army was close. Stalin just sat by and laughed as they were all slaughtered, because the Germans had TANKS.

You see, if you want to own a gun because you think you are going to chase away a criminal, that's almost sensible if you ignore the fact that you are 43 times more likely to kill a family member with that gun.

But your chances of ever overthrowing the government with a gun is absolutely zero.

You refuse to give up the lie.....you are not 43 times more likely to be killed by your own gun....you know this, yet you still put it out there.....

Kellerman who did the study that came up with the 43 times more likely myth, was forced to do the research over when other academics pointed out how flawed his methods were....he then changed the 43 times number to 2.7, but he was still using flawed data to get even that number.....

Below is the study where he changed the number from 43 to 2.7 and below that is the explanation as to why that number isn't even accurate.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7;

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Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17] This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. [3]

Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .


From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.


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Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.

In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6

 

[2aguy]

With just about every post, you lie.....

Obviously, you flunked history. The Weimar Republic instituted gun laws, but the Nazis revoked most of them because they saw gun ownership as a symbol of Aryan "manliness". And those Germans never raised their guns against the Nazis... they fought for Hitler down to the last old man and little boy

The national socialists used the gun registration lists....implemented in the 1920s, to take guns away from the very people they planned on murdering, the Jews, political enemies and the various groups they planned on targeting for death....so you anti-gun extremists keep pedaling the lie that the national socialists increased gun ownership...you idiots

No, gun nut. The German Jews really weren't the issue in the Holocaust. Most of them had the good sense to flee Germany before the war started. In fact, 75% of Germany and Austria's Jews survived the war because they got the fuck out of the way.

Most of the Jews who were killed were in Poland, Hungary and Russia....

Now, the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto had guns... but they didn't even TRY taking on the Nazis until 1944 when they heard the Red Army was close. Stalin just sat by and laughed as they were all slaughtered, because the Germans had TANKS.

You see, if you want to own a gun because you think you are going to chase away a criminal, that's almost sensible if you ignore the fact that you are 43 times more likely to kill a family member with that gun.

But your chances of ever overthrowing the government with a gun is absolutely zero.

More...

http://reason.com/archives/2016/01/05/you-know-less-than-you-think-a/1

Is Having a Gun in the Home Inherently Deadly?

The idea that keeping a gun in the home puts owners and their families at elevated risk first rose to prominence in a 1993 New England Journal of Medicine article by Arthur Kellermann and his colleagues. "Although firearms are often kept in homes for personal protection," they concluded, "this study shows that the practice is counterproductive."

The study has many flaws. In addition to the predictable failure to establish causality, there's a more glaring irregularity:


Slightly less than half of the murders Kellermann studied were actually committed with a gun (substantially less than the national average in 1993 of around 71 percent).

And even in those cases he failed to establish that the gun owners were killed with their own guns.


If even a small percentage of them weren't, given that more than half of the murders were notcommitted with guns, the causal relevance of the harmed being gun owners is far less clear. (The study found that even more dangerous risks than having a gun at home included living alone, using drugs, or being a renter.)

A 2013 literature review in the journal Aggression and Violent Behavior, written by the University of Utrecht psychologist Wolfgang Stroebe, starts with Kellermann but rejects the idea that firearm possession is "a primary cause of either suicide or homicide." However, he writes, "since guns are more effective means for [actually killing someone] than poison or other weapons, the rate of firearm possession can be expected to be positively related to overall rates of suicide and homicide." But even then we can't be sure of causality, since guns might be the choice of people with more serious lethal intent, against themselves or others, to begin with.

Stroebe notes that the two major post-Kellermann studies most often used to demonstrate an association between gun ownership and risk of homicide shared one of Kellermann's fatal flaws:

They offer no information about whether the gun used to kill the gun owners was their own.


And despite Kellermann's finding that living alone was very risky, one of the follow-ups, a 2004 study by Linda Dahlberg and colleagues, found that it was only those with roommates who faced a higher risk of a specifically gun-related homicide.

 

[2aguy]

As you like to bring up the history of slavery and Jim Crow, you must be so proud of the party of democrats; the party of slavery and Jim Crow. Racist demagogues in the democrat party, even now, are far more concerned with maintaining their followers in Antifah and various Marxist groups for the control they hope to exert. Stoking racial divides is what democrats do.

Not really. The Democrats threw out the Southern Inbreds in 1964, and the Republicans welcomed them with open arms.

Naw, man. You seem to have missed important history. I suppose at your leftist madrassah, they weren't real accurate with history lessons.

sorry, the Nazis loved guns as much as you do. That's the thing.

Germans had plenty of guns. The Jews didn't, but the funny thing is, there really weren't a whole lot of Jews in Germany to start with. Like less than 1% of the population.

But the 99% of Germans who could have all the guns they wanted, very few of them rose up against Hitler. The July 22 plot was a complete fiasco that failed in hours.

You see, all your ranting about "government". . Government is US. Every bad behavior of a government was enthusiastically supported by the people.

The average Turk HATED Armenians... They weren't loyal to the Sultan and really fell down on the job fighting the Russians.

The average German HATED Jews. You think Hitler said, "Let's get the Jews" and anyone actually objected? Of course they didn't. Martin Luther, the father of Lutheranism, wrote a book called "The Jews and their Lies". There really wasn't a pro-Jewish German political party.

So, no, I don't think you having a gun protects you from government. What it does is put us at a risk that one of you nuts are going to go around shooting people because the voices in your head tell you to.

You are a liar....

The Democrats threw out the Southern Inbreds in 1964, and the Republicans welcomed them with open arms.

The lie about dixie crats changing parties...

What happened to all those racist Dixiecrats that, according to the progressive narrative, all picked up their tents and moved from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party? Actually, they exist only in the progressive imagination.

This is the world not as it is but as progressives wish it to be. Of all the Dixiecrats who broke away from the Democratic Party in 1948, of all the bigots and segregationists who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, I count just two—one in the Senate and one in the House—who switched from Democrat to Republican.

In the Senate, that solitary figure was Strom Thurmond. In the House, Albert Watson. The constellation of racist Dixiecrats includes Senators William Murray, Thomas P. Gore, Spessard Holland, Sam Ervin, Russell Long, Robert Byrd, Richard Russell, Olin Johnston, Lister Hill, John C. Stennis, John Sparkman, John McClellan, James Eastland, Herman Talmadge, Herbert Walters, Harry F. Byrd, George Smathers, Everett Jordan, Allen Ellender, A. Willis Robertson, Al Gore Sr., William Fulbright, Herbert Walters, W. Kerr Scott, and Marion Price Daniels.

The list of Dixiecrat governors includes William H. Murray, Frank Dixon, Fielding Wright, and Benjamin Laney. I don’t have space to include the list of Dixiecrat congressmen and other officials. Suffice to say it is a long list. And from this entire list we count only two defections.

Thus the progressive conventional wisdom that the racist Dixiecrats became Republicans is exposed as a big lie.

The Dixiecrats remained in the Democratic Party for years, in some cases decades. Not once did the Democrats repudiate them or attempt to push them out.


Segregationists like Richard Russell and William Fulbright were lionized in their party throughout their lifetimes, as of course was Robert Byrd, who died in 2010 and was eulogized by leading Democrats and the progressive media.
The Switch That Never Happened: How the South Really Went GOP › American Greatness
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[2aguy]

Leftists are in denial. Thats the thing. I can't help but notice you offered nothing but the usual unsupported opinion as opposed to actual data. The Jews in Germany had problems. They were stripped of any means to defend themselves.

Actually, they were stripped of all rights.

I noticed you skipped around my discussion of what would have happened if the Jews of Germany had guns.

Not that it matters. Most of the Jews killed in the Holocaust weren't German Jews, they were Jews from the countries Germany conquered. Those countries had guns, AND STILL LOST.

Those Stalin chose to purge had similarly been stripped of means to defend themselves.

Not surprisingly, you see Stalin as a totalitarian hero. Most of the world sees him as a violent sociopath. Odd how leftists find admiration for sociopaths.

No, I don't see him as a hero, but Russians do.

Stalin’s Approval Rating Among Russians Hits Record High – Poll - The Moscow Times

A record 70 percent of Russians approve of Soviet leader Josef Stalin’s role in Russian history, according to a poll published by the independent Levada Center pollster on Tuesday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

The difference between heroes and monsters is the difference between winners and losers. All the leaders in WWII did truly awful things, including our own. Hitler and Mussolini are reviled today because they lost. Churchill, FDR and Stalin are glorified today because they won. The Japanese are a whole different story, they are kind of in denial about the whole war.

If they had had guns...as the rest of the non-nazi supporters if they too had had guns...then the nazi blm/antifa....er.....brownshirts...would not have been able to beat, murder and burn out people who opposed them...

the only reason blm and antifa haven't gone into the suburbs to murder and beat people is they know the people here likely have guns...and will shoot them...the German people didn't have that option to deal with violent antifa and blm...er.....brownshirts......in their day....so they had to keep their heads down....

 

[2aguy]

You noticed I skipped around your conjecture of what would have happened if the German Jews had guns. Sorry, but the self-entitled all-knowing, all-seeing clairvoyant leftist who rewrites history with the ''... because I say so'', meme is not worth anyone's time.

Uh, okay. Well, did you think that Dr. Goebbels was going to give a "fair and balanced" view of the shootout between a Jewish person and the SS?

Let me give you a hint. The ministry of propaganda used to publish a "Criminal Jew Report". The Nazis had the German people convinced the Jews did a bunch of things they didn't do.. imagine if they did manage to murder a German soldier or policeman?

This is the whole problem with the crazies who think "I needs my guns to fights the government". The government will always have better guns and usually more public support.

It's fine if you agree that Stalin was a hero. That's not surprising as leftists often view sociopaths as heroes.

Again, you guys support Trump... that's a sociopath.

Um, okay,. I see you abandoned your claim to the all-knowing, all-seeing leftist who can predict future events.

Let me enlighten you. The historical fact is that the worst of the leftist dystopias had a pattern of disarming the public to allow the worst atrocities.

The Founders of this country knew of government tyranny and oppression.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

Again. Your delicate leftist feelings are hurt.

Jefferson had no idea of a country with such a powerful military.

You mean except for the British Empire, France and Spain....you mean except for those powers of their day.....you idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

Um, okay,. I see you abandoned your claim to the all-knowing, all-seeing leftist who can predict future events.

Let me enlighten you. The historical fact is that the worst of the leftist dystopias had a pattern of disarming the public to allow the worst atrocities.

Well, first the Nazis and the Fascists were right wing, not left wing.

Secondly, the whole of human history is bad governments committing atrocities, including our own.

But I'm just waiting for you to describe the scenario where Jews with a few guns were going to stand up to the SS, SA and Wehrmacht.

 

[JoeB131]

If they had had guns...as the rest of the non-nazi supporters if they too had had guns...then the nazi blm/antifa....er.....brownshirts...would not have been able to beat, murder and burn out people who opposed them...

Okay, guy, get real. The Nazis were IMMENSELY popular when they were in power. They were Germany's bigges t political party when they formed a coalition with the Zentrum and National German People's Party (NDVM) to form the Hitler government. When Hitler outlawed all other political parties, most of the guy in the other parties like Von Papen and Hugenberg happily joined the Nazis, then declared themselves "mitlauferin" after the war.

If you want to draw a real political analogy, the real one is that the Zentrum and NDVM (Along with the Reichswehr and industrialists) really thought they could contain Hitler as a "Chancellor in Chains", kind of like all the Establishment Republicans thought they could contain Trump.

This is the problem with putting crazy people in charge. They are always crazier than you think they are.

 

[Hollie]

Um, okay,. I see you abandoned your claim to the all-knowing, all-seeing leftist who can predict future events.

Let me enlighten you. The historical fact is that the worst of the leftist dystopias had a pattern of disarming the public to allow the worst atrocities.

Well, first the Nazis and the Fascists were right wing, not left wing.

Secondly, the whole of human history is bad governments committing atrocities, including our own.

But I'm just waiting for you to describe the scenario where Jews with a few guns were going to stand up to the SS, SA and Wehrmacht.

You need to concentrate when you're writing statements. A few people with guns would not stand a chance vs the SS. An armed population with a survival instinct could. You want to deny it but the German government specifically disarmed the Jewish population. You were provided the links.

The worst nightmare for the leftist gun grabbers is the notion of attempting to forcefully confiscate people's firearms. Convoys of police cars and SUVs on gun confiscation missions will be forced to travel through second amendment sanctuary counties on their way to and from their objectives.

Lead the charge, sweety.

 

[Hollie]

If they had had guns...as the rest of the non-nazi supporters if they too had had guns...then the nazi blm/antifa....er.....brownshirts...would not have been able to beat, murder and burn out people who opposed them...

Okay, guy, get real. The Nazis were IMMENSELY popular when they were in power. They were Germany's bigges t political party when they formed a coalition with the Zentrum and National German People's Party (NDVM) to form the Hitler government. When Hitler outlawed all other political parties, most of the guy in the other parties like Von Papen and Hugenberg happily joined the Nazis, then declared themselves "mitlauferin" after the war.

If you want to draw a real political analogy, the real one is that the Zentrum and NDVM (Along with the Reichswehr and industrialists) really thought they could contain Hitler as a "Chancellor in Chains", kind of like all the Establishment Republicans thought they could contain Trump.

This is the problem with putting crazy people in charge. They are always crazier than you think they are.

"This is the problem with putting crazy people in charge. They are always crazier than you think they are.''

Yeah. Biden's politburo dystopia.

 

[JoeB131]

You need to concentrate when you're writing statements. A few people with guns would not stand a chance vs the SS. An armed population with a survival instinct could. You want to deny it but the German government specifically disarmed the Jewish population. You were provided the links.

Except the German Population WAS armed... that was the point. When the SS came for the Jews, they were like, "Awesome, never liked those guys anyway."

You guys live in this fantasy world where you fight off the government, but the reality is, the government is always, always, always going to be better armed and more proficient. As much as you wank off to all the guns you are buying, 40% of the Gun Industry's sales are still to government agencies.

The worst nightmare for the leftist gun grabbers is the notion of attempting to forcefully confiscate people's firearms. Convoys of police cars and SUVs on gun confiscation missions will be forced to travel through second amendment sanctuary counties on their way to and from their objectives.

Yeah, I know this is your wank fantasy. It's kind of as ironic as a 1/6 Rioter beating a Capitol Policeman with a Thin Blue Line Flag. You love the police, when they are oppressing people of color. Otherwise they are jackbooted thugs.

Yeah. Biden's politburo dystopia.

Uh-huh. Frankly, Biden is a return to sanity, after the crazy shit of the last four years.

Hey, did you see that crazy thing Biden said on Twitter last night? Oh, wait, Biden doesn't say crazy shit on Twitter.

 

[Hollie]

Except the German was not well armed until they were disarmed.

Leftists live in a fantasy world where beneficent big government is their mommy. It cares for you, it controls you and it calms an emotional requirement that you don't have to do anything for yourselves. Eventually, your big, controlling governments become your worst nightmare as history shows us the nightmares of the 19th and 20th century socialist/ Marxist dystopias.

Biden is your savior. He has your best interests at heart. Open borders, inflation, racist social policies, ''squads'', lower wages, lower standard of living... hey, you might just get the socialist / Marxist dystopia you crave.

 

[JoeB131]

Except the German was not well armed until they were disarmed.

Are you kidding? They were incredibly well armed. I mean, not as well armed as the Gun Fetishists are in America, of course, who had huge personal arsenals to fight the Zombies.

But after WWI, most of those German soldiers went home with their weapons. Personal weapons were so ubiquitous that the Nazis, Monarchists, Communists and Socialists were having gun battles in the street. That's why the Weimar government tried and failed to pass gun laws.

Leftists live in a fantasy world where beneficent big government is their mommy. It cares for you, it controls you and it calms an emotional requirement that you don't have to do anything for yourselves. Eventually, your big, controlling governments become your worst nightmare as history shows us the nightmares of the 19th and 20th century socialist/ Marxist dystopias.

Yawn, ho-hum. Another Libertarian Child heard from. Uh, here's the thing. I like the fact that because we take care of our elderly, I'm not going to die sometime in my 60's, or bankrupt my family taking care of me because I won't be able to work anymore.

The very same people who whine about socialism, are the same ones who happily collect their social security, Medicare, unemployment insurance and veteran's benefits that they are "entitled to". Heck, even Trump's response to massive unemployment was to jack up the average payment for the unemployed so they would barely feel it. Sorry, after 2020, we all became socialist and we kind of liked it.

Biden is your savior. He has your best interests at heart. Open borders, inflation, racist social policies, ''squads'', lower wages, lower standard of living... hey, you might just get the socialist / Marxist dystopia you crave.

Frankly, I'd be happy to just have my life from 2016 back.

You know, before Trump brought us the plagues, the riots, the business failures, massive debt, armed lunatics showing up at state capitols, double digit unemployment.

But on, no, prices on gasoline went up for a couple of weeks, we are all doooooomed. Doooomed, I tell you.

 

[Hollie]

Except the German was not well armed until they were disarmed.

Are you kidding? They were incredibly well armed. I mean, not as well armed as the Gun Fetishists are in America, of course, who had huge personal arsenals to fight the Zombies.

But after WWI, most of those German soldiers went home with their weapons. Personal weapons were so ubiquitous that the Nazis, Monarchists, Communists and Socialists were having gun battles in the street. That's why the Weimar government tried and failed to pass gun laws.

Leftists live in a fantasy world where beneficent big government is their mommy. It cares for you, it controls you and it calms an emotional requirement that you don't have to do anything for yourselves. Eventually, your big, controlling governments become your worst nightmare as history shows us the nightmares of the 19th and 20th century socialist/ Marxist dystopias.

Yawn, ho-hum. Another Libertarian Child heard from. Uh, here's the thing. I like the fact that because we take care of our elderly, I'm not going to die sometime in my 60's, or bankrupt my family taking care of me because I won't be able to work anymore.

The very same people who whine about socialism, are the same ones who happily collect their social security, Medicare, unemployment insurance and veteran's benefits that they are "entitled to". Heck, even Trump's response to massive unemployment was to jack up the average payment for the unemployed so they would barely feel it. Sorry, after 2020, we all became socialist and we kind of liked it.

Biden is your savior. He has your best interests at heart. Open borders, inflation, racist social policies, ''squads'', lower wages, lower standard of living... hey, you might just get the socialist / Marxist dystopia you crave.

Frankly, I'd be happy to just have my life from 2016 back.

You know, before Trump brought us the plagues, the riots, the business failures, massive debt, armed lunatics showing up at state capitols, double digit unemployment.

But on, no, prices on gasoline went up for a couple of weeks, we are all doooooomed. Doooomed, I tell you.

Now that's funny. The "evil Jews" were well armed. Your leftist tainted view of history is rather embarrassingly false, except for leftists.

Odd how President Trump brought all the evils you whine about when nothing of the kind happened.

What a strange, upside-down world that is inhabited by the conspiracy addled rabid leftist

 

[NoNukes]

Except the German was not well armed until they were disarmed.

Are you kidding? They were incredibly well armed. I mean, not as well armed as the Gun Fetishists are in America, of course, who had huge personal arsenals to fight the Zombies.

But after WWI, most of those German soldiers went home with their weapons. Personal weapons were so ubiquitous that the Nazis, Monarchists, Communists and Socialists were having gun battles in the street. That's why the Weimar government tried and failed to pass gun laws.

Leftists live in a fantasy world where beneficent big government is their mommy. It cares for you, it controls you and it calms an emotional requirement that you don't have to do anything for yourselves. Eventually, your big, controlling governments become your worst nightmare as history shows us the nightmares of the 19th and 20th century socialist/ Marxist dystopias.

Yawn, ho-hum. Another Libertarian Child heard from. Uh, here's the thing. I like the fact that because we take care of our elderly, I'm not going to die sometime in my 60's, or bankrupt my family taking care of me because I won't be able to work anymore.

The very same people who whine about socialism, are the same ones who happily collect their social security, Medicare, unemployment insurance and veteran's benefits that they are "entitled to". Heck, even Trump's response to massive unemployment was to jack up the average payment for the unemployed so they would barely feel it. Sorry, after 2020, we all became socialist and we kind of liked it.

Biden is your savior. He has your best interests at heart. Open borders, inflation, racist social policies, ''squads'', lower wages, lower standard of living... hey, you might just get the socialist / Marxist dystopia you crave.

Frankly, I'd be happy to just have my life from 2016 back.

You know, before Trump brought us the plagues, the riots, the business failures, massive debt, armed lunatics showing up at state capitols, double digit unemployment.

But on, no, prices on gasoline went up for a couple of weeks, we are all doooooomed. Doooomed, I tell you.

Now that's funny. The "evil Jews" were well armed. Your leftist tainted view of history is rather embarrassingly false, except for leftists.

Odd how President Trump brought all the evils you whine about when nothing of the kind happened.

What a strange, upside-down world that is inhabited by the conspiracy addled rabid leftist

Conspiracy addled LEFT???? Please.

 

[2aguy]

Um, okay,. I see you abandoned your claim to the all-knowing, all-seeing leftist who can predict future events.

Let me enlighten you. The historical fact is that the worst of the leftist dystopias had a pattern of disarming the public to allow the worst atrocities.

Well, first the Nazis and the Fascists were right wing, not left wing.

Secondly, the whole of human history is bad governments committing atrocities, including our own.

But I'm just waiting for you to describe the scenario where Jews with a few guns were going to stand up to the SS, SA and Wehrmacht.

The national socialists were left wing, not Right wing...that is another big lie from the left....because if they have tried to hide the fact that the worst government mass murders since 1917 all happened at the hands of left wing governments...the national socialist crimes were tried in public, unlike the international communists whose crimes were hidden from the world.......


Had normal Germans had guns, the national socialist party wouldn't have been able to beat and murder anyone who looked at them the wrong way....it would have limited their ability to take control of the country, as normal people could have voted for more normal political figures...

As it was.....if you crossed the national socialists, they beat you, destroyed your business and murdered you....all while the police were told to stand down.....

Just like blm and antifa brownshirts today...

 

[2aguy]

You need to concentrate when you're writing statements. A few people with guns would not stand a chance vs the SS. An armed population with a survival instinct could. You want to deny it but the German government specifically disarmed the Jewish population. You were provided the links.

Except the German Population WAS armed... that was the point. When the SS came for the Jews, they were like, "Awesome, never liked those guys anyway."

You guys live in this fantasy world where you fight off the government, but the reality is, the government is always, always, always going to be better armed and more proficient. As much as you wank off to all the guns you are buying, 40% of the Gun Industry's sales are still to government agencies.

The worst nightmare for the leftist gun grabbers is the notion of attempting to forcefully confiscate people's firearms. Convoys of police cars and SUVs on gun confiscation missions will be forced to travel through second amendment sanctuary counties on their way to and from their objectives.

Yeah, I know this is your wank fantasy. It's kind of as ironic as a 1/6 Rioter beating a Capitol Policeman with a Thin Blue Line Flag. You love the police, when they are oppressing people of color. Otherwise they are jackbooted thugs.

Yeah. Biden's politburo dystopia.

Uh-huh. Frankly, Biden is a return to sanity, after the crazy shit of the last four years.

Hey, did you see that crazy thing Biden said on Twitter last night? Oh, wait, Biden doesn't say crazy shit on Twitter.

They weren't fighting the German government in the beginning, the blm/antifa.....the national socialist brown shirts........attacked and beat or murdered anyone who stood up to the party when they began their march to power...........had they been shot instead, they wouldn't have been able to accumulate as much power and more moderate political parties and figures would have had a chance......

Imagine if blm and antifa knew that the people in the rich parts of the city and the suburbs were completely disarmed.......you would have had those areas burned and looted, instead of concentrating on the poor, black areas of these democrat party controlled cities...where they have strict gun control for normal people....

 

[woodwork201]

Naw, I don't think letting self-hating leftists arbitrarily and selectively erase portions of the Constitution is such a good idea. The democrat slave rapists who went to war to keep their slave raping lifestyle will disagree.

Well, since you brought it up, the point was, the founding slave rapists never meant for the slaves to have guns. A few slaves like Nat Turner grabbed some guns and started slave revolts, they pretty much panicked and hunted them all down.

History has shown us that the leftist styled government-dependent citizenry is dangerous. In Germany, the “commonsense” 1928 gun control laws of the Weimar Republic preceded the beginning of Hitler’s rampage by a decade.

Obviously, you flunked history. The Weimar Republic instituted gun laws, but the Nazis revoked most of them because they saw gun ownership as a symbol of Aryan "manliness". And those Germans never raised their guns against the Nazis... they fought for Hitler down to the last old man and little boy.

In Turkey, “reasonable” gun control laws enacted in 1911 permitted the extermination of two million Turkish Christians a few years later.

Also false.

FACT CHECK: A Little Gun History

An Internet post cites facts and figures purporting to prove that the worst genocides of the twentieth century were the result of gun control laws.

www.snopes.com

With regard to gun ownership, non-Muslims had never been legally permitted to privately own weapons under Ottoman rule (though some did), but military conscription laws enacted by a newly constituted government (the so-called “Young Turks”) between 1908 and 1914 put guns in the hands of tens of thousands of Armenians drafted to fight for the empire in World War I. After suffering military losses early on in that war, the government blamed the Armenians, whom they accused of treachery and subversion, and on that pretext embarked on a program of disarming and eradicating the Armenian population as a whole.

In the Soviet Union government atrocities were preceded by “reasonable and commonsense” firearms registration, followed eventually by gun confiscation and then by the extermination of a despised minority population.

Again, utter bullshit.

So, when radical, mentally deficient leftists speak of “fundamentally transforming” this country, and their intention is to act outside the constitutional framework, or worse, to remove Constitutional protections, the population should be wary.

Naw, man, what we are wary of is that we have to rework our whole society around the easy access to guns.

I don't worry about what happened in other countries a century ago.. I worry about what happens in this country NOW. Where we all have to live with the fear that some maniac might start shooting up the mall or church or school we are attending, because the Founding Slave Rapists couldn't define a militia clearly.

When radical, racist democrats begin to push for strict new “commonsense and reasonable” gun control laws, including national firearms registration in the name of “public safety,” the citizenry should be concerned..

Naw, the radical is the person who thinks that Joker Holmes has a god given right to a gun. That's actually a radical position, and it wasn't the case for most of our history.

As you like to bring up the history of slavery and Jim Crow, you must be so proud of the party of democrats; the party of slavery and Jim Crow. Racist demagogues in the democrat party, even now, are far more concerned with maintaining their followers in Antifah and various Marxist groups for the control they hope to exert. Stoking racial divides is what democrats do.

Naw, man. You seem to have missed important history. I suppose at your leftist madrassah, they weren't real accurate with history lessons.

How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review

www.nationalreview.com

"In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

Naw, man. We can see clear parallels of rabid democrat policies that are taken right from the history of Nazi Germany. Naw, man. The history is clear that totalitarian regimes such as Nazi's and Democrats want a disarmed population because that population is more controllable.

From the link above:

''During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.''




As we see with regularity, your skewed version of democrat history is one of phony narratives and invented circumstances.

You might want to find a source other that the loony, conspiracy theeory addled ''snopes.com''.

Armenian Genocide Didn't Happen by Accident | Stephen P. Halbrook

Hundreds of news stories have been written during the past month reporting on the 100-year anniversary of one of the darkest events in world history, a two-year killing spree that claimed the lives of an estimated 800,000 to 1.5 million Armenians. Virtually none of these news stories, however...

www.independent.org

"While the remnant of the Ottoman Empire, today’s Turkey, disputes many of the details having to do with the Armenian genocide, most historians agree on certain basic facts. First, that the Christian Armenians had long been denied basic rights under the Ottomans’ Muslim law. Second, they were excluded from participation in the government. And third, Ottoman law made it a crime to possess a firearm without government permission. The Armenians, as British traveler H. F. B. Lynch wrote in 1901, were “rigorously prohibited from possessing firearms.”

Naw, man. Here again we see that historical confluence of totalitarian regimes and their disarming of the ''undesireable'' portion of the population that will be oppressed or removed.


Naw,man. Obviously you don't worry about what happened in other countries a century ago. Your understanding of history is so shallow, you find it impossible to make connections to what happened just in the 20th century to what the rabid democrats are trying to do today. It's the same script. You have been given examples of leftist, totalitarian regimes which set the model for the democrat party.

It is not by accident that people like JoeB defend or appear ignorant of the truth around fascist and socialist or communist government takeover of power and the destruction of political enemies. It is because they are willing to see those things happen in the United States that they provide cover for those who did it before. They believe so fully in the Socialist/Marxist agendas that they believe a few million lives are a worthwhile loss. They believe in the radical environmental view that the earth's population should be reduced by 90%. What's a few billion lives among liberals?