LOL @ Public Policy Polling

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  1. TheGreatGatsby
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    I kept noticing that some PPP poll was especially skewing the Real Clear Nonsense averages for Obama. So I decided to check them out. They're an outfit named Public Policy Polling.

    Here are PPP poll results just from the last week:

    Colorado - Obama plus 4
    Iowa - Obama plus 2
    Wisconsin - Obama plus 6
    North Carolina - Tied
    New Hampshire - Obama plus 2
    Virginia - Obama plus 5
    National - Obama plus 1
    Nevada - Obama plus 4

    The poll is an automated voice response poll. The organization is run by by Democrat, Dean Debnam. Also, many PPP polls are commissioned by the Daily Kos. Meaning, they're paying a third party for the narrative that they are trying to sell.
     
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    One could make the same post about any pollster out there. Rasmussen skews right, PPP skews left and Gravis is fucking all over the place. One advantage PPP has over the others is that they do their polls over a few days whereas a lot of the Gravis and Ras state polls are done in one day.
     
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    So polls are meaningless? Complete lies? Wow the libs seem to be leaping out of their panties with excitement over the polls.
     
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    No, looking at the average of the polls will give you a much clearer picture as there will always be outliers.
     
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    They could equivocate while ignoring that Rasmussen has been the most accurate poll in the last two presidential elections.
     
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    They were not the most accurate in 2008 nationally and their state polling left a lot to be desired. For example with Ohio, their last poll showed a tie while Obama won the state by 4.
     
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    The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection polls (as reported on pollster.com).
    1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
    1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
    2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
    3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
    4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
    5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
    5. ARG (10/25-27)*
    6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
    6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
    7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
    8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
    9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
    10. FOX (11/1-2)
    11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
    12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
    13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
    14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
    15. Marist College (11/3)
    16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
    17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
    18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
    19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
    20. Newsweek (10/22-23)
    http://www.fordham.edu/images/acade...ccuracy in the 2008 presidential election.pdf
     
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    Did you read the top of that study? For some reason it was done before the election and assuming a 6.15 point Obama victory. Obama won by 7.3 points. CNN, Ipsos and Fox actually were closest at 7 points each.
     
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    In case you missed it, RCP has Piss Poor Polling listed as a partisan (D) pollster....Which make ya wonder why their numbers are included at all. :dunno:
     
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    Do you just talk out of your ass for the fun of it? Rasmussen had 08 52-46 for Obama; nearly identical to the 53-46 outcome and that as PC points out, was the most accurate national poll of 08.
     

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