Lincoln's Laws of War: How he built the code that Bush attempted to destroy.

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    " Lincoln's Laws of War
    How he built the code that Bush attempted to destroy.


    One of Abraham Lincoln's little-noted accomplishments has become his most unlikely legacy. He helped create the modern international rules that protect civilians, prevent torture, and limit the horrors of combat, the body of law known as the laws of war. Indeed, he was probably our most important law-of-war president, having crafted the very rules that George W. Bush and his Justice Department tried to destroy.


    At the beginning of the Civil War in 1861, few Americans had given much thought to the laws of war. Lincoln was no exception. He had never been a soldier of any note. In middle age, he joked about his youthful service as a militia captain, observing that although he had fought and bled in "a good many bloody struggles," all his fights were with mosquitoes. As an Illinois lawyer, his bustling commercial law practice did not bring him into contact with the 19th-century laws of war, either.


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    Lincoln's laws of war. - By John Fabian Witt - Slate Magazine
     
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    Sorry, but that is nonsense.

    Bush didn't try to destroy any 'laws of war' and in fact the Union could be charged with numerous war crimes by modern standards, the most glaring being the Elmire NY prison camp, which was nearly as bad as the more famous Confederate camp at Andersonville.

    'Hellmira' alone paints Lincoln as 10 times the war criminal Bush is accused of being.
     
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    Hellmira

    Almost 25 percent of the 12,123 Confederate soldiers who entered the 40 acre prisoner of war camp at Elmira, N.Y., died. This death rate was more than double the average death rate in other Northern prison camps, and only 2 percent less than the death rate at the infamous Southern prison at Andersonville, Ga. The deaths at Elmira were caused by diseases brought on by terrible living conditions and starvation, conditions deliberately caused by the vindictive U.S. commissary general of prisoners, Col. William Hoffman. The conditions were inexcusable; the North had more than enough food and materials for its armies, population, and prisoners.

    A stockade was built around an unused Union army training camp to create Elimira Prison in June 1864. The prison contained 35 barracks and was intended to house as many as 5,000 prisoners. On July 6 the first 400 arrived, and by the end of the month there were more than 4,4110 prisoners, with more on the way. By the end of August almost 10,000 men were confined there, many of them sleeping in the open in tattered clothes and without blankets.

    On August 18, in retaliation for the conditions in Southern prison camps, Colonel Hoffman ordered that rations for the prisoners be reduced to bread and water. The overcrowded conditions ensured that any disease introduced to the malnourished population would spread rapidly. Without meat and vegetables, the prisoners quickly succumbed to scurvy, with 1,870 cases reported by September 11. The scurvy was followed by an epidemic of diarrhea, then pneumonia and smallpox. By the end of the year, 1,264 prisoners had died, and survivors had nicknamed the prison "Hellmira." The winter was bitterly cold, but when Southern families sent clothes for the prisoners, Hoffman would allow only items that were gray to be distributed. Clothes in other colors were burned while the sons and husbands for whom they were intended literally froze to death. By the end of the war, 2,963 Elmira prisoners were dead.

    Before resigning to avoid courtmartial for his criminal treatment of sick prisoners, the chief surgeon at Elmira was overheard to boast that he had killed more Rebels than any Union soldier.
     
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    This must be a joke.

    Lincoln allowed for the murder, rape, and looting of thousands of southern civilians and slaves, and the sacking of southern cities. He also destroyed the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and habeas corpus were all done away with in the north during Lincoln's reign. He also destroyed the system of federalism that the founding fathers created, allowing for the leviathan state we all "enjoy" today.

    Lincoln would have clapped Bush on the back and congratulated him on a "job well done."
     
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    no need to, the OP is absurd on its face. lincoln allowed his generals, especially sherman, to rape pillage and destroy their way across the south. prior to the american civil war, this was basically unheard of in "civilized" warfare.



    lincoln may have helped revise the "laws of war" as you claim, but only if the behavior of his generals was used as an example of what would happen without them.

    you should really read some history. this kind of ignorance is almost frightening. the laws of war predate lincoln by thousands of years.
     
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    Indeed, Lincoln was the father of 'Total War,' the strategy that would be followed in WWI and II.
     
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    We can pretend otherwise, but a war pits one society against another.

    When we set out to win a war, the civilians ARE targeted, of course.

    When we destroy an opposing nations infrastructure we know perfectly well that we are killing civilians.

    We should just stop kidding ourselves that dropping bombs on cities is anything other than legally sanctioned terrorism, because that is exactly what it is.
     
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    The issue here is that Lincoln s code of war was the very minimum of war regulations and that Bush managed to break them is an achievement on its own. Not one to be proud of, considering how low Lincoln s standards were.

     
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    When is Obama going to start the second Civil War? Is that going to be in 2010?
     

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