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O'Neill Depicts a Disengaged President

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, January 10, 2004; Page A01


President Bush showed little interest in policy discussions in his first two years in the White House, leading Cabinet meetings "like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people," former Treasury secretary Paul H. O'Neill says in an upcoming book on the Bush White House.



O'Neill, who was forced out of his post in late 2002, spoke extensively to former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind and offered up 19,000 documents, including private White House transcripts and personal notes for the book "The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill."

The book will be released next week and was not available yesterday. The only on-the-record details to be had were selected quotes released by CBS from the book and from an interview with O'Neill to be aired Sunday on "60 Minutes."

The book is meant to be a chronicle of the first two years of the Bush administration and the process that shaped the president's policymaking, mostly seen through O'Neill's eyes.

According to the CBS material, O'Neill told Suskind that Bush was so inscrutable that administration officials had to devise White House policy on "little more than hunches about what the president might think."

In the "60 Minutes" interview, O'Neill described his first Cabinet meeting with the president: "I went in with a long list of things to talk about and, I thought, to engage [him] on. And as the book said, I was surprised that it turned out to be me talking and the president just listening. . . . As I recall it was mostly a monologue."

This is not the first time Suskind has coaxed unflattering descriptions out of former White House officials. In the January 2003 issue of Esquire, John J. DiIulio Jr., the former head of Bush's faith-based policy office, told Suskind, "There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus. . . . What you've got is everything -- and I mean everything -- being run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

DiIulio quickly apologized and said he was "deeply remorseful." White House officials dismissed the significance of the University of Pennsylvania professor, a Democrat in a modest position who worked in the White House less than eight months.

O'Neill, in contrast, occupied the administration's most prominent and important economic post for two years, and helped usher through the 10-year, $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001 that remains one of Bush's most important legislative feats. He was named to the post at the insistence of Vice President Cheney, an old friend, and he had close ties to Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.

But O'Neill's tenure at Treasury was marked by verbal gaffes and impolitic comments, some of them in direct contradiction of White House policy. He publicly disparaged Bush's 2002 imposition of steep tariffs on steel, roiled currency markets with his blunt talk, enraged a Brazilian president, and ultimately split with Bush in late 2002 over the president's push to end taxation of corporate dividends.

That December, Bush forced an unsuspecting O'Neill out of office in a purge of his economic team that also sent packing his National Economic Council director, Lawrence B. Lindsey.

White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan would not comment on the substance of O'Neill's statements.

"The White House isn't in the business of doing book reviews," she said. "The president appreciated Mr. O'Neill's service, and he is now focused on the future and our nation's highest priorities."

O'Neill did not return phone calls yesterday, and Suskind declined to provide the book's contents in advance of its release.

O'Neill, a former chief executive of aluminum giant Alcoa Inc., frequently complained that the media oversimplified his comments and took them out of context. He told his hometown Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on Thursday, "If the 'red meat,' taken out of context, is all that people get out of this [Suskind] book, it will be a huge disappointment to me. Ideally, this book will cause people to stop and think about the current state of our political process and raise our expectations of what is possible."

-Bam
 
Does O'neill possibly have an axe to grind? Who was responsible for him leaving? Sounds like sour grapes to me, and some grapes that might make him some money if his book sells.
 
I'd say a bit of sour grapes.

Looking at O'Neill from a human resources management POV, his style appears not to have been a fit for the White House team. Such things occur in any organization. Not all of us make 100% perfect hiring decisions.
 
There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus. . . . What you've got is everything -- and I mean everything -- being run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

We've been saying this for years, and FINALLY someone who actually worked in the whitehouse is coming out and stating EXACTLY what we already knew. Grapes. yum.



19,000 documents, including private White House transcripts and personal notes for the book

:bow2: :bow2: :bow2:
 
Originally posted by jimnyc
Does O'neill possibly have an axe to grind? Who was responsible for him leaving? Sounds like sour grapes to me, and some grapes that might make him some money if his book sells.

Are you insinuating O'Neill is a liar? What evidence do you have of this?

-Bam
 
Originally posted by bamthin
Are you insinuating O'Neill is a liar? What evidence do you have of this?

-Bam

I'm insinuating that he left his position on bad terms, and now he is trying to make money off of his book.

I am not presenting any facts, I don't need proof. He stated what he did, I responded with my opinion. I think it's fair to question his credibility when he is writing a book about the very people who canned him.

Why do you and Jones have so much trouble with fact and opinion? Stating fact will almost always require some sort of proof. Stating opinion will not. Is it the definition of 'fact' and 'opinion' that have you confused?
 
Jim, maybe hes trying to get the truth out by writing a book or ya he could be trying to make some money too.
 
Originally posted by jones
Jim, maybe hes trying to get the truth out by writing a book or ya he could be trying to make some money too.

I'm not saying what he writes is true or false, I just find it all a bit suspect.
 
A bit suspect, to say the least. I find it mildly amusing that the debate in this thread has yet to touch on this fact:

(copied from cnn.com article)

A senior administration official, who asked not to be named, expressed bewilderment at O'Neill's comments on the alleged war plans.

"The treasury secretary is not in the position to have access to that kind of information, where he can make observations of that nature," the official said. "This is a head-scratcher."
 
Originally posted by lilcountriegal
A bit suspect, to say the least. I find it mildly amusing that the debate in this thread has yet to touch on this fact:

(copied from cnn.com article)

Why do I see this so much with the Bush crew:

"A senior administration official, who asked not to be named, "

has anyone else noticed a preponderance of this. Why do they like to duck accountability?

-Bam
 
Why should they even worry about tossing their name in the mix of this mess?

The main point being the treasure secretary is not privvy to that information in the first place. He's doing nothing but spouting off at the mouth because he's a disgruntled employee.

I worked for a bunch of asshole attorneys at one point. They screwed me out of my Christmas bonus because they were tightwads, so I quit. I could have turned around and said they billed clients for non-existent actions... that doesnt make it true.
 
Originally posted by bamthin
Why do I see this so much with the Bush crew:

"A senior administration official, who asked not to be named, "

has anyone else noticed a preponderance of this. Why do they like to duck accountability?

-Bam

Oh please, what a bunch of crap. Officials are talking almost daily, and probably more than half of them ask not to be named. This is something that has nothing to do with party affiliation.

Besides, would knowing the name of the person speaking make a difference? Would O'neill then mysteriously be in the position to have access to such information?

I dying rat in the street could have said that the treasury secretary isn't privy to security meetings and it would have made as much sense.

Bottom line, he's pissed that he was canned. If he was so worried about the Bush administrations plans why didn't he speak up long ago?
 
Originally posted by jimnyc
Oh please, what a bunch of crap. Officials are talking almost daily, and probably more than half of them ask not to be named. This is something that has nothing to do with party affiliation.

Besides, would knowing the name of the person speaking make a difference? Would O'neill then mysteriously be in the position to have access to such information?

I dying rat in the street could have said that the treasury secretary isn't privy to security meetings and it would have made as much sense.

Bottom line, he's pissed that he was canned. If he was so worried about the Bush administrations plans why didn't he speak up long ago?


Isn't speaking up long ago what got him fired?

"O'Neill had publicly questioned the need for the cuts in light of growing budget deficits. "

I guess O'Neill has some 19,000 documents to back it up.


-Bam
 
Isn't speaking up long ago what got him fired?

Why didn't he immediately speak up at that time? Why did he wait a few years and reveal what he knows in a money making opportunity?

I guess O'Neill has some 19,000 documents to back it up.

And when they are published along with the book he'll have a little more credibility.
 
He was probly being loyal to his employer. Maybe needing a source of income, he writes a book.

19,000 documents, including private White House transcripts and personal notes for the book

A little more ?
 
Originally posted by jones
He was probly being loyal to his employer. Maybe needing a source of income, he writes a book.

He was fired quite some time ago. He lost credibility when he didn't divulge this information in a timely manner, he instead waited until he could capitalize on it.

A little more ?

It would be nice if you explained what the hell you are talking about!

Your obviously making some sort of reference to the '19,000 documents'. How many have you read? How many have been released to the public?
 
Nope, THIS is the year we take everything back, and everyone speaks up.

You said he would gain a "lil" more credablity if he published those documents. I hope actually read those documents.
 
Originally posted by jones
Nope, THIS is the year we take everything back, and everyone speaks up.

You said he would gain a "lil" more credablity if he published those documents. I hope actually read those documents.


It's great to have an active fantasy life; just don't let it overtake your perception of reality.
 
Originally posted by jones
Nope, THIS is the year we take everything back, and everyone speaks up.

What are you responding to? What does this have to do with O'neill?

You said he would gain a "lil" more credablity if he published those documents.

That's correct. Anytime you make accusations you should be prepared to back them up. His words will have more weight if he can provide documentation proving them.

I hope actually read those documents.

Want to try again in English this time?
 
You said that because he "waited" hes trying to make money. I disagree, but now that i think of it. Maybe that IS what hes doing, after all, thats what the administration is ALL about. Prove ME wrong.
 

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