Leftist of today are NOT Liberal

[AgentSparky]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

 

[Hossfly]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

The "Liberals" of today are Progressive Socialists. That means they want the Government to rule and to control every aspect of every citizens lives, plus, follow Alinsky's playbook religiously. That is as simple as anyone can define today's Liberalist Pukes who call themselves Democrats. .

 

[Natural Citizen]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

Here's a really good Mises piece on this very topic. I've shared it a few times around here in one hole or another.

Ludwig von Mises and the Real Meaning of Liberalism - 'Liberalism' has become one of the most widely misused words in the American political lexicon.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Do you realize that in the early part of the 20th century anti-trust laws were enforced against standard oil, bell telephones and businesses were broke up and it ended up strengthening the market place as the little guy could final move upwards. Unions through the middle of the 20th century was a major motivator of the economy and the democratic base! Realize that the rich paid their fucking taxes at rates of 50%, 60% and more....

Yet you say the shit you did above? Today the rich take 90% of the wealth and offshore everything to some bank in some other country all while fucking over their workers...And you think this is a'ok as our middle class tanks all around us.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

You're not a liberal. You're a statist. And a moron.

 

[AgentSparky]

Weird
That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

Thank you for proving my point that you can't even have a reasonable discussion without insults and childish name calling among the left. Once upon a time, Liberals use to respect and even value someone with a slightly differing opinion.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Heading back to the 19th century will destroy our middle class and increase the size of the poor. Realize that in third world countries the rich have 90% of the wealth while everyone else is poor! Why is that? Because the rich have the power and control the market place.

You're playing into their game.

 

[AgentSparky]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

The "Liberals" of today are Progressive Socialists. That means they want the Government to rule and to control every aspect of every citizens lives, plus, follow Alinsky's playbook religiously. That is as simple as anyone can define today's Liberalist Pukes who call themselves Democrats. .

You're right except I disagree with the "Liberalist Pukes" comment because that is not the Liberalism that I grew up with during the 70s 80s and 90s.

 

[Pogo]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

"Leftist" and "Liberal" have never meant the same thing. But "leftist" has always been singular.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Marx idea was to simply do away with government and allow the workers to control production.

Funny how that kind of looks like loserterianism! Lenin on the other hand had the bright idea to form a powerful government that promised to steer towards this goal and never did...

Loserterianism like marxism is both bullshit as government is a necessary element of the human condition.

The fabians at least had the right idea of making the government the referee and seeing the need for a private sector. We social democrats are these.

 

[Aletheia4u]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

Those are not Liberals that are slamming pres.Trump. You know that Alex Jones is a true libertarian. Libertarians stands for freedom from government control. But these so-called Liberals/ Retards are not true libertarians. The Government has been infiltrating government officials into the Liberals party. And those infiltrators has worked their way up to the highest positions in those party. They has been diverting the members views on things by lying to them. I never heard of an tree hugger that approves the government to cut down trees just to stop greenhouse gases.

 

[bodecea]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

The "Liberals" of today are Progressive Socialists. That means they want the Government to rule and to control every aspect of every citizens lives, plus, follow Alinsky's playbook religiously. That is as simple as anyone can define today's Liberalist Pukes who call themselves Democrats. .

If we are going to have fun labeling parties, we can say that the "con-servatives" of today are thinly veiled fascists wanting to take away the equal rights of minorities and women.

This is fun.

 

[Pogo]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

Here's a really good Mises piece on this very topic. I've shared it a few times around here in one hole or another.

Ludwig von Mises and the Real Meaning of Liberalism - 'Liberalism' has become one of the most widely misused words in the American political lexicon.

Right on target. A longish treatise but treats the definition with the respect it deserves.

During the Red Scare 70 years ago dishonest demgogues in the American right, smarting from being shut out of the White House for 20 years, started to conflate "Liberal" with "left" in an effort to taint their political opponents with the association fallacy using the spectre of communism, the Two Minutes Hate target of the day. That's where this false association comes from. More recent dishonest demagogues like Jonah Goldberg have tried to twist the term into its own opposite, which then requires the phony adjective "classical" to distinguish night from day. In the real world Liberalism is what founded this country and wrote its Bill of Rights and Constitution.

 

[Pogo]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

Those are not Liberals that are slamming pres.Trump. You know that Alex Jones is a true libertarian. Libertarians stands for freedom from government control. But these so-called Liberals/ Retards are not true libertarians. The Government has been infiltrating government officials into the Liberals party. And those infiltrators has worked their way up to the highest positions in those party. They has been diverting the members views on things by lying to them. I never heard of an tree hugger that approves the government to cut down trees just to stop greenhouse gases.

I tell ya what, if you're gonna start posting five videos in a single post, this thread is gonna take all day to load. The site can't handle it. That's why the music threads are so slow.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

You are wrong.

Where you've gone wrong is outlined below:

“Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech.”

Wrong.

‘Liberals’ and ‘leftists’ have always been consistent advocates of free speech and free expression, including defending hate speech entitled to Constitutional protections.

Neither ‘liberals’ nor ‘leftists’ have proposed or supported any type of legislation intended to ‘shut down’ opposing views or hate speech.

Indeed, whether ‘liberals’ or ‘leftists,’ they are always the first to come to the defense of rightwing bigots and their right to engage in hate speech.

“Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization.”

Wrong.

Addressing the callous indifference many white conservatives have with regard to the unwarranted deaths of African-Americans at the hands of law enforcement is not to be ‘anti-white.’

“Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first.”

Wrong.

Democratic opposition to the recently passed GOP tax scam that benefits only the wealthy and corporations, harming middle class blue-collar working Americans, is the most recent proof of Democrats’ defense of working Americans.

“Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.”

This is wrong and a lie.

Women, gay and transgender Americans, Hispanic Americans, African-Americans, and immigrants are not ‘special interest groups,’ they are individuals entitled to their rights and protected liberties as are other persons in the United States.

And when ‘liberals’ and ‘leftists’ defend those rights and protected liberties from attack by hateful, bigoted conservatives, ‘liberals’ and ‘leftists’ are in fact putting America first by recognizing and following the Constitution, its case law, and the rule of law.

Your entire thread premise is wrong – it’s nothing but ridiculous rightwing fallacies, contrivances, and lies.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Right on target. A longish treatise but treats the definition with the respect it deserves.

During the Red Scare 70 years ago dishonest demgogues in the American right, smarting from being shut out of the White House for 20 years, started to conflate "Liberal" with "left" in an effort to taint their political opponents with the association fallacy using the spectre of communism, the Two Minutes Hate target of the day. That's where this false association comes from. More recent dishonest demagogues like Jonah Goldberg have tried to twist the term into its own opposite, which then requires the phony adjective "classical" to distinguish night from day. In the real world Liberalism is what founded this country and wrote its Bill of Rights and Constitution.

eeeyep. That sums it up.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

The "Liberals" of today are Progressive Socialists. That means they want the Government to rule and to control every aspect of every citizens lives, plus, follow Alinsky's playbook religiously. That is as simple as anyone can define today's Liberalist Pukes who call themselves Democrats. .

If we are going to have fun labeling parties, we can say that the "con-servatives" of today are thinly veiled fascists wanting to take away the equal rights of minorities and women.

This is fun.

Let’s say that ‘conservatives’ today are reactionary authoritarians frightened of diversity, dissent, and expressions of individual liberty, wanting to take away the equal rights of minorities and women.

It is fun.

 

[BluesLegend]

Do you realize that in the early part of the 20th century anti-trust laws were enforced against standard oil, bell telephones and businesses were broke up and it ended up strengthening the market place as the little guy could final move upwards. Unions through the middle of the 20th century was a major motivator of the economy and the democratic base! Realize that the rich paid their fucking taxes at rates of 50%, 60% and more....

Yet you say the shit you did above? Today the rich take 90% of the wealth and offshore everything to some bank in some other country all while fucking over their workers...And you think this is a'ok as our middle class tanks all around us.

No dummy the rich GENERATE most of the wealth they don't take the wealth from the middle class.

 

[BluesLegend]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

The "Liberals" of today are Progressive Socialists. That means they want the Government to rule and to control every aspect of every citizens lives, plus, follow Alinsky's playbook religiously. That is as simple as anyone can define today's Liberalist Pukes who call themselves Democrats. .

If we are going to have fun labeling parties, we can say that the "con-servatives" of today are thinly veiled fascists wanting to take away the equal rights of minorities and women.

This is fun.

Let’s say that ‘conservatives’ today are reactionary authoritarians frightened of diversity, dissent, and expressions of individual liberty, wanting to take away the equal rights of minorities and women.

It is fun.

You libs dare even mention women's rights after forcing them into prostitution to get/keep their jobs? WOW