CDZ Law abiding citizens should be able to carry a gun, open or concealed in any state...

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    I am both not in the militia and well past that age.

    The tangent was simply comparing "People" with "Militia", my point being that while you cannot have a Militia without people, you can certainly have people without a militia.

    Interesting definition though. From it we can infer that the Second Amendment's right to bear arms is limited to able-bodied males 17-45 Guard members to 64 and military personnel. Presumably the latter two could even include females.
     
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    Again, the militia is ALL able bodied citizens. You can't wish reality into the cornfield.
     
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    Go argue with Supergirl. I really don't care.
     
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    Haven't watched much history on YouTube? You are Only too old for federal service. There are State militias as well.


     
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    Our Second Amendment declares the organized militia necessary, not the unorganized militia.
     
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    No.....of course you don't.....these are counts of actual bodies on the ground......I have listed at times the accidental gun death rate and the gun murder rate of children....that would be 14 and under. The numbers are far smaller than the anti gunners want you to believe, and the media anti gunners want you to believe.

    The Stats I listed are the stats from the final death statistics nation wide that the CDC collects every year...we are still waiting for the stats for 2015.....the link is provided...it is a lot of information...is it absolutely perfect..no....but it is a good read on how people die.....and guns are not the biggest problem.....especially if you only look at accidents...and not murder.

    The kids killed in your city.....are majority gang members....the rest are those who get caught in the crossfire....and of course the 15 year olds shooting each other over gang problems or insults on facebook are not legal gun owners, can't buy guns or carry them......so all the gun laws in the world won't stop them....

    And keep in mind...we had 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million Americans were holding concealed carry permits in 1997....we now have 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people with gun permits to carry......and in that time our gun murder rate went down 47%....and our gun accidental death and non fatal gun ccident rate both went down, not up.......
     
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    I will probably steal that article.....
     
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    And the 2nd Amendment does not say...the right of able bodied militia members to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...does it?


    It simply states the truth....the Right of the People.....shall not be infringed....
     
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    The article also points out the CNN story and you can see how the CNN journalist distorts reality...stating 703 children die from gun accidents......and then goes on to point out it was over a 10 year period....so that the only thing that sticks out is the 703......to increase the percieved number since the actual number is so low...also, they state 2001-2010 to hide the idea that it is a 10 year period....they know so many ways to hide the truth it isn't even funny...and even then they are wrong......those numbers have been going down as more people own guns...you just have to go to the CDC and look at the numbers to see it...which they don't link to....

    Thanks for the article...
     
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    yes, it does. the people and the militia are synonymous.
     

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