LA votes to nullify health insurance mandate

[SpidermanTuba]

So 0bama taxed folks with middle and lower class incomes with this bill. You must be so proud. I especially like the part where you get hit with it even for being without coverage for a day.

Glad you like it.

 

[Immanuel]

I hope those of you who are against this insurance mandate realize that's only in there because the insurance companies lobbied heavily to get put in there. Obama didn't want this, in fact originally he wanted to get rid of the insurance company involvement all-together through a single-payer system. But nope, repubs didn't want that either.

Face it, you'll complain no matter what Obama does.

Do you have any frigging idea what Obama's plan would have done to the economy? Think of the frigging unemployment numbers that plan would have caused would 30% unemployment be out of the question? I don't think so. Everyone in the Health Insurance Industry (not just the hated CEO's) would have been out of jobs and a large percentage of people who's jobs are tied in with that industry as well.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

I hope those of you who are against this insurance mandate realize that's only in there because the insurance companies lobbied heavily to get put in there. Obama didn't want this, in fact originally he wanted to get rid of the insurance company involvement all-together through a single-payer system. But nope, repubs didn't want that either.

Face it, you'll complain no matter what Obama does.

Yeah, he wanted completely socialized medicine, with absolutely no free-market involvement. Face that fact.


And yes, as long as Obama is a progressive Socialist, I will complain about everything he does.

Not quite right, what he wants is control of the health insurance industry. That is not medicine. I suspect the medical professions would eventually follow suit and become wards of the state so to speak, but Obama's plan so far only involves the health insurance industry.

Immie

 

[RDD_1210]

I hope those of you who are against this insurance mandate realize that's only in there because the insurance companies lobbied heavily to get put in there. Obama didn't want this, in fact originally he wanted to get rid of the insurance company involvement all-together through a single-payer system. But nope, repubs didn't want that either.

Face it, you'll complain no matter what Obama does.

Do you have any frigging idea what Obama's plan would have done to the economy? Think of the frigging unemployment numbers that plan would have caused would 30% unemployment be out of the question? I don't think so. Everyone in the Health Insurance Industry (not just the hated CEO's) would have been out of jobs and a large percentage of people who's jobs are tied in with that industry as well.

Immie

It's good to know that your main concern is for the insurance companies and not the actual health and well-being of the citizens of our country. Very patriotic of you.

 

[Immanuel]

I hope those of you who are against this insurance mandate realize that's only in there because the insurance companies lobbied heavily to get put in there. Obama didn't want this, in fact originally he wanted to get rid of the insurance company involvement all-together through a single-payer system. But nope, repubs didn't want that either.

Face it, you'll complain no matter what Obama does.

Do you have any frigging idea what Obama's plan would have done to the economy? Think of the frigging unemployment numbers that plan would have caused would 30% unemployment be out of the question? I don't think so. Everyone in the Health Insurance Industry (not just the hated CEO's) would have been out of jobs and a large percentage of people who's jobs are tied in with that industry as well.

Immie

It's good to know that your main concern is for the insurance companies and not the actual health and well-being of the citizens of our country. Very patriotic of you.

Do you think those citizens who work for the health insurance industry are all foreigners?

I would hope that you realize that those employees are your brothers and sisters and American citizens who will be out of jobs and on the unemployment line if President Obama wins this issue.

I doubt you really care about the citizens of our country as evidently you would like to see 30% or more of us unemployed. Then again, you would probably love the idea of us all living off the government's tit.


Edit: And by the way, I am thinking about the citizens of this country... all of them. That is why the economic results of eliminating the Health Insurance Industry frighten me so much.

Immie

 

[RDD_1210]

Consider me crazy but I think people actually being able to live is slightly more important then whether or not they have a job. If they're dead, they can't work anyway.

You seem to be more concerned with economics of it, where as I am more concerned with the fact that if someone is sick and can't get proper medical care then a job really isn't the most important thing in life.

 

[Immanuel]

Consider me crazy but I think people actually being able to live is slightly more important then whether or not they have a job. If they're dead, they can't work anyway.

You seem to be more concerned with economics of it, where as I am more concerned with the fact that if someone is sick and can't get proper medical care then a job really isn't the most important thing in life.

You make a decent argument there. However, America is not some third world country where people go without medical care. Even the poorest of us get needed care. If we were like say, Ethiopia or The Sudan, I might agree with your point. But we are not like those places.

Thirty percent unemployment would be a disaster on this country and most especially on those who are poor and needy now. I think the results of Obama's plan would be a catastrophe for this country both economically and medically and that is why it frightens me.

Immie

 

[saveliberty]

Consider me crazy but I think people actually being able to live is slightly more important then whether or not they have a job. If they're dead, they can't work anyway.

You seem to be more concerned with economics of it, where as I am more concerned with the fact that if someone is sick and can't get proper medical care then a job really isn't the most important thing in life.

The entitlement crowd is always more concerned with living and less about a job. Mean while, the life they have become acustomed to is paid for with the money and LIFE of someone working under high stress and 55 hours a week. Let him or her die early.

 

[RDD_1210]

Consider me crazy but I think people actually being able to live is slightly more important then whether or not they have a job. If they're dead, they can't work anyway.

You seem to be more concerned with economics of it, where as I am more concerned with the fact that if someone is sick and can't get proper medical care then a job really isn't the most important thing in life.

The entitlement crowd is always more concerned with living and less about a job. Mean while, the life they have become acustomed to is paid for with the money and LIFE of someone working under high stress and 55 hours a week. Let him or her die early.

So the only people who benefit from reducing the strength of insurance companies are unemployed losers? So what you're saying is you really have no understanding of what happens in the real world of medical care and the insurance system.

 

[RDD_1210]

Consider me crazy but I think people actually being able to live is slightly more important then whether or not they have a job. If they're dead, they can't work anyway.

You seem to be more concerned with economics of it, where as I am more concerned with the fact that if someone is sick and can't get proper medical care then a job really isn't the most important thing in life.

You make a decent argument there. However, America is not some third world country where people go without medical care. Even the poorest of us get needed care. If we were like say, Ethiopia or The Sudan, I might agree with your point. But we are not like those places.

Thirty percent unemployment would be a disaster on this country and most especially on those who are poor and needy now. I think the results of Obama's plan would be a catastrophe for this country both economically and medically and that is why it frightens me.

Immie

I'm not saying people go without care here, it's just how the care is administered that is wrong. Insurance companies are allowed to dictate too many decisions in the healthcare process, which ultimately boils down to economic factors. I don't think someone living or dying should be a financial decision and left up to insurance companies to decide. It's certainly better here then 3rd world countries, but compared to the rest of the developed nations we are severely behind.

 

[Immanuel]

Consider me crazy but I think people actually being able to live is slightly more important then whether or not they have a job. If they're dead, they can't work anyway.

You seem to be more concerned with economics of it, where as I am more concerned with the fact that if someone is sick and can't get proper medical care then a job really isn't the most important thing in life.

You make a decent argument there. However, America is not some third world country where people go without medical care. Even the poorest of us get needed care. If we were like say, Ethiopia or The Sudan, I might agree with your point. But we are not like those places.

Thirty percent unemployment would be a disaster on this country and most especially on those who are poor and needy now. I think the results of Obama's plan would be a catastrophe for this country both economically and medically and that is why it frightens me.

Immie

I'm not saying people go without care here, it's just how the care is administered that is wrong. Insurance companies are allowed to dictate too many decisions in the healthcare process, which ultimately boils down to economic factors. I don't think someone living or dying should be a financial decision and left up to insurance companies to decide. It's certainly better here then 3rd world countries, but compared to the rest of the developed nations we are severely behind.

Believe it or not, I am not a fan of the control that the Health Insurance Industry has over our medical services. I am, although, much less of a fan of U.S. bureaucrats having all of that control and then some when you look at taxing authority and regulation. It is a scary thought, if you ask me.

My concern about the economy is the jobs that will be lost should President Obama succeed in wiping out the Health Insurance Industry. I'm not an expert and will freely admit that, but I see severe job losses on the horizon if the single payer plan goes through.

I am currently unemployed. I have been for almost four months now. I was gung ho about getting a new job at the end of January when I lost my last job. I work in the private accounting industry. I have for thirty years. I was making nearly $65,000 at my last job. Now, I am seeing people advertising to hire CPA's at $35,000/year! My God, a CPA for $35K! Are people frigging insane? edit: and we are not talking about CPA's without experience. These morons want CPA's with experience for $35k.

People tell me the economy is getting better. I laugh every time I read that. They are insane! It is not getting better. When people ask me if I am better off now than I was under President Bush, I have to say... F(udge) NO, I am not and I don't foresee things getting any better in the next couple of years. I honestly don't know what I am going to do. The thought of Seminary has crossed my mind a couple of times. Problem is that I don't want to be a pastor.

Immie

 

[saveliberty]

Consider me crazy but I think people actually being able to live is slightly more important then whether or not they have a job. If they're dead, they can't work anyway.

You seem to be more concerned with economics of it, where as I am more concerned with the fact that if someone is sick and can't get proper medical care then a job really isn't the most important thing in life.

The entitlement crowd is always more concerned with living and less about a job. Mean while, the life they have become acustomed to is paid for with the money and LIFE of someone working under high stress and 55 hours a week. Let him or her die early.

So the only people who benefit from reducing the strength of insurance companies are unemployed losers? So what you're saying is you really have no understanding of what happens in the real world of medical care and the insurance system.

So NOW you want the real world? The one in which medical services have to be padi for with money? That real world? Most people get their money from a job. Sort of all interrelated huh? You are the one who limited it to unemployed losers. You also ignored the life shortening effects of paying for others under your plan.

 

[RDD_1210]

The entitlement crowd is always more concerned with living and less about a job. Mean while, the life they have become acustomed to is paid for with the money and LIFE of someone working under high stress and 55 hours a week. Let him or her die early.

So the only people who benefit from reducing the strength of insurance companies are unemployed losers? So what you're saying is you really have no understanding of what happens in the real world of medical care and the insurance system.

So NOW you want the real world? The one in which medical services have to be padi for with money? That real world? Most people get their money from a job. Sort of all interrelated huh? You are the one who limited it to unemployed losers. You also ignored the life shortening effects of paying for others under your plan.

Ok, I can tell that you are beyond reason so I will just say this. You are so concerned that your money is going to pay for others medical services?? Well when someone uninsured goes to the hospital now, they still get treatment, who do you think pays for that visit? The hospital? The insurance company eats the cost? No....you do, I do, we all have to absorb that cost through higher insurance rates and increased doctors charges.

Please try to think big picture and not just how your wallet is impacted at this very minute.

 

[saveliberty]

So the only people who benefit from reducing the strength of insurance companies are unemployed losers? So what you're saying is you really have no understanding of what happens in the real world of medical care and the insurance system.

So NOW you want the real world? The one in which medical services have to be padi for with money? That real world? Most people get their money from a job. Sort of all interrelated huh? You are the one who limited it to unemployed losers. You also ignored the life shortening effects of paying for others under your plan.

Ok, I can tell that you are beyond reason so I will just say this. You are so concerned that your money is going to pay for others medical services?? Well when someone uninsured goes to the hospital now, they still get treatment, who do you think pays for that visit? The hospital? The insurance company eats the cost? No....you do, I do, we all have to absorb that cost through higher insurance rates and increased doctors charges.

Please try to think big picture and not just how your wallet is impacted at this very minute.

The costs go up under the new system, so it makes things worse. Further, it will cause rationed care and it still reduces my life expectancy. How's that for the big picture socialist?

 

[RDD_1210]

So NOW you want the real world? The one in which medical services have to be padi for with money? That real world? Most people get their money from a job. Sort of all interrelated huh? You are the one who limited it to unemployed losers. You also ignored the life shortening effects of paying for others under your plan.

Ok, I can tell that you are beyond reason so I will just say this. You are so concerned that your money is going to pay for others medical services?? Well when someone uninsured goes to the hospital now, they still get treatment, who do you think pays for that visit? The hospital? The insurance company eats the cost? No....you do, I do, we all have to absorb that cost through higher insurance rates and increased doctors charges.

Please try to think big picture and not just how your wallet is impacted at this very minute.

The costs go up under the new system, so it makes things worse. Further, it will cause rationed care and it still reduces my life expectancy. How's that for the big picture socialist?

Please tell me how your life expectancy will be reduced? I'd LOVE to hear this.

 

[saveliberty]

Ok, I can tell that you are beyond reason so I will just say this. You are so concerned that your money is going to pay for others medical services?? Well when someone uninsured goes to the hospital now, they still get treatment, who do you think pays for that visit? The hospital? The insurance company eats the cost? No....you do, I do, we all have to absorb that cost through higher insurance rates and increased doctors charges.

Please try to think big picture and not just how your wallet is impacted at this very minute.

The costs go up under the new system, so it makes things worse. Further, it will cause rationed care and it still reduces my life expectancy. How's that for the big picture socialist?

Please tell me how your life expectancy will be reduced? I'd LOVE to hear this.

I have to work longer in order to support the freeloaders. That work creates stress and wear and tear on me. It shortens a person's life. Are you really this ignorant? Thanks for not denying your a socialist. I appreciate the honesty.

 

[RDD_1210]

The costs go up under the new system, so it makes things worse. Further, it will cause rationed care and it still reduces my life expectancy. How's that for the big picture socialist?

Please tell me how your life expectancy will be reduced? I'd LOVE to hear this.

I have to work longer in order to support the freeloaders. That work creates stress and wear and tear on me. It shortens a person's life. Are you really this ignorant? Thanks for not denying your a socialist. I appreciate the honesty.

LOL, that's fantastic. I guarantee there are millions of people who don't have insurance or minimal coverage that work way harder then you ever will. I love that the only thing you are worried about is protecting your own wallet and having to work harder.

And I ignored your name calling. Stooping to that level only shows where your mindset is and I don't feel the need to humor such childish behavior. But thanks for displaying it for everyone else to see.

 

[saveliberty]

Please tell me how your life expectancy will be reduced? I'd LOVE to hear this.

I have to work longer in order to support the freeloaders. That work creates stress and wear and tear on me. It shortens a person's life. Are you really this ignorant? Thanks for not denying your a socialist. I appreciate the honesty.

LOL, that's fantastic. I guarantee there are millions of people who don't have insurance or minimal coverage that work way harder then you ever will. I love that the only thing you are worried about is protecting your own wallet and having to work harder.

And I ignored your name calling. Stooping to that level only shows where your mindset is and I don't feel the need to humor such childish behavior. But thanks for displaying it for everyone else to see.

So you know how hard I work in my two jobs huh? What name calling? I said you were a socialist. If I name call, you'll know it.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Do you think those citizens who work for the health insurance industry are all foreigners?

Why should they get priority over others?

 

[Immanuel]

Do you think those citizens who work for the health insurance industry are all foreigners?

Why should they get priority over others?

Who says they get priority?

The issue was about our economy and what President Obama's Health Care Bill would do to our economy by putting thousands upon thousands of American citizens out of work.

Immie