Kazakh president asks Russia-led bloc for military help

[Siberian]

Most of that is in the past, unfortunately (with the exception of IT). The Ukrainian society has degraded significantly in the last 30 years.

Space and aircraft industries have passed the point of no return and can hardly be saved in the middle-term perspective.

The higher education has turned into a joke and can't provide enough specialists of desirable level (despite the vast number of students).

and this is said by a Ukrainian living in proper Ukraine (though Kiev has always been a pure Russian city, seluki or Ukrainian rednecks, the bearers of Ukrainian culture, were always snubbed by civilized urban Ukrainians, bearers of higher Russian culture).
The one who was 7 years old when USSR collapsed and has no idea of what life and Ukraine were like within USSR. He also has not been to Russia.

So, we may take him as a perfect example of a Ukrainian whose perception of the EU, Russia and Ukraine itself was formed by Ukrainian propaganda and general mood of Ukrainian society.

And while he is still hostile to Russia and snubs Russia, for some obscured reasons viewing it as some worse version of Ukraine of 90s, but he demonstrates extreme scepticism to Ukraine itself.

And I tend to think such perception is a mass one. Meaning Ukraine in its attempt of independence led itself into a dead end, after which collapse of the state follows.

 

[rupol2000]

Novorossia

Novorossiya is in the Kirovograd region. Novorossia is the former Novoserbia. There has never been any Novorossia in the Donbass, propaganda is just lying

 

[AlexanderPK]

That's funny...

In history, weren't the Ukrainians responsible for the slave revolts and instituting better conditions including retirement for slaves under the Roman Empire?
It was somebody in that neighborhood that ran a successful revolt that left the Romans making a deal instead of crushing everyone...

They dug the Black See after all. How could they have not if they made Romans to treat their slaves better? Ебать ту Люсю!!! There are no English words to express my admiration for Ukrainians' stupidity.

 

[rupol2000]

always been a pure Russian city, seluki or Ukrainian rednecks

Was not. This is the former Sambat, most likely it was built by the Old Bulgaryans. Whether it was part of the Old Russian state is a big question, because the capture of Kiev in the form in which it is described in the story of bygone years could not be. There is a version that not Sambat but Kuev in the region near Mosoviya was meant there.

But one way or another, it was not a native Russian city
In the times of Khazaria, it was part of Khazaria

 

[rupol2000]

They dug the Black See after all. How could they have not if they made Romans to treat their slaves better? Ебать ту Люсю!!! There are no English words to express my admiration for Ukrainians' stupidity.

In fact, the fairy tale about the fact that the Ukrainians claimed that they dug the Black Sea was invented somewhere on the near-Kremlin TV, the Ukrainians themselves never said this. This anecdote is based on a story from Herodotus. He wrote there that the Scythians dug a long deep ditch somewhere between the Caspian and Black seas.

But there is some truth in this. In the northern Black Sea region, there was a developed culture comparable to the Sumerian about 6 thousand years before the Golyad and the Litvins got acquainted with metal pins and replaced stone axes with iron ones.

 

[AlexanderPK]

In fact, the fairy tale about the fact that the Ukrainians claimed that they dug the Black Sea was invented somewhere on the near-Kremlin TV, the Ukrainians themselves never said this. This anecdote is based on a story from Herodotus. He wrote there that the Scythians dug a long deep ditch somewhere between the Caspian and Black seas.

But there is some truth in this. In the northern Black Sea region, there was a developed culture comparable to the Sumerian about 6 thousand years before the Golyad and the Litvins got acquainted with metal pins and replaced stone axes with iron ones.

Instead of being so wordy you could have just said the Russians are responsible for all the evil on this green earth. Besides, we knew that already. Ask any american and you won't be disappointed I'm sure.

 

[ESay]

fact, the fairy tale about the fact that the Ukrainians claimed that they dug the Black Sea was invented somewhere on the near-Kremlin TV, the Ukrainians themselves never said this. This anecdote is based on a story from Herodotus. He wrote there that the Scythians dug a long deep ditch somewhere between the Caspian and Black seas.

Never tell this thing to those idiots. They will claim that this ridiculous stuff is an official ideology in Ukraine now and is taught in the schools.

 

[rupol2000]

in fact, blind faith in someone could said such a thing as "digging of Black sea" exactly speaks of extreme stupidity.

 

[AlexanderPK]

They will claim that this ridiculous stuff is an official ideology in Ukraine now and is taught in the schools.

Do they not now? Так "вас уже выпустили из сумасшедшего дома?"

 

[Siberian]

Novorossiya is in the Kirovograd region. Novorossia is the former Novoserbia. There has never been any Novorossia in the Donbass, propaganda is just lying

I forgot, who and when founded your town, could you remind me?

 

[Siberian]

Novorossiya is in the Kirovograd region. Novorossia is the former Novoserbia. There has never been any Novorossia in the Donbass, propaganda is just lying

Novoserbia is a microregion of the macroregion Novorossia

 

[Siberian]

Never tell this thing to those idiots. They will claim that this ridiculous stuff is an official ideology in Ukraine now and is taught in the schools.

lol, visiting museum in Odessa I myself had to listen to the host that Ukraine is the homeland of all Europeans, that Ukrainians invented the iron work etc.

Given that Ukrainians appeared as a nation only in what century? 16 th century ?
When local Russians were polonized enough to feel separate from the rest of Russia...

 

[Siberian]

But there is some truth in this. In the northern Black Sea region, there was a developed culture comparable to the Sumerian about 6 thousand years before the Golyad and the Litvins got acquainted with metal pins and replaced stone axes with iron ones.

lol, exactly!
so, why do you deny that the Black sea was dug by Ukrainians if they invented iron 8000 years ago..
I presume it would be not bigger an accomplishment

 

[Siberian]

Was not. This is the former Sambat, most likely it was built by the Old Bulgaryans. Whether it was part of the Old Russian state is a big question, because the capture of Kiev in the form in which it is described in the story of bygone years could not be. There is a version that not Sambat but Kuev in the region near Mosoviya was meant there.

But one way or another, it was not a native Russian city
In the times of Khazaria, it was part of Khazaria

I was referring to more modern times, when Esay could be formed as a person to serve as an example
Not Herodotus time

 

[rupol2000]

I forgot, who and when founded your town, could you remind me?
(1754, by Russian Empress Elizaveta)

your town is Southwards from future Russian-Ukrainian border...

Who founded Sambat is unknown, but it already existed during the Great Bulgaria.

More interesting is the question by whom and when Moscow was founded. despite the fact that it is believed that it was founded by Khan Uzbek around the 15th century, travelers of the 17th century noted that in the center of modern Moscow some savages still performed pagan cults.

 

[rupol2000]

Novoserbia is a microregion of the macroregion Novorossia

Novoserbia is Novorossia

 

[Siberian]

your town was founded in 1754, by Russian Empress Elizaveta
it is Southwards from future Russian-Ukrainian border...

 

[rupol2000]

Russian Empress Elizaveta

Are you sure that at that time there was a "Russian Empire"? It is known that Moscow then controlled only the Hetmanate, the rest of it was within the limits from Moscow to St. Petersburg. It's not exactly an "empire"

 

[Siberian]

Are you sure that at that time there was a "Russian Empire"? It is known that Moscow then controlled only the Hetmanate, the rest of it was within the limits from Moscow to St. Petersburg. It's not exactly an "empire"

lol, at least Elizaveta's father, Peter the Great oficially proclaimed foundation of the Russian Empire

I know of course that Ukraine is the center of the Universe, but it is not Ukraine which makes Russia an Empire or a superpower.
Regardless of the fact that Tom declined from elaborating own view on it..

 

[AlexanderPK]

Siberian
S gondonamy sporit - tolko nervy sebe motat. Ony konchennye vse. Especially those who dwell in the west now. What do they do there? Cleaning toilets must be their main occupation.