K, so those who like the idea of National Healthcare

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    Did you fnd issue w/HMO decisions in the 90s?
     
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    I think the idea of National Health insurance is a good one.

    As yet I have not seen a plan that I think is going to solve our HC problems, though.
     
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    You won't find liberals "going there" with this question since their savior Edward Kennedy said on the Senate floor when introducing the monster that is HMO's.."We need legislation which reorganizes the system to guarantee a sufficient volume of high quality medical care, distributed equitably across the country and available at reasonable cost to every American. It is going to take a drastic overhaul of our entire way of doing business in the health-care field in order to solve the financing and organizational aspects of our health crisis. One aspect of that solution is the creation of comprehensive systems of health-care delivery".

    You see..government is the reason for our problems,not the private sector,imho.
     
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    The reasons for the HC crises are demographic and technological, more than a question of who funds it or how, I think.

    Of course when we enacted Medicade and Medicare we exaserbated the problem, too.

    We increased demand without also increasing supply and the escalating cost of HC overall has climbed from about 4% of GNP to 18% of GNP since that time.

    But an aging population AND increasingly effective (but expensive) HC procedures are, I think, primarlily the problem we're dealing with right now.
     
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    So solving a problem government for the most part created can be solved with more government? Here is Krugma,while advocating single payor says that 60% of healthcare is already provided by government so if he is so smart,how is that 60% not a huge part of the problem?
    http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10433
     
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    Didn't anybody ever tell you that you can always solve a problem by throwing more money at it? This is especially true when you're using taxpayer money. :D
     
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    Whenever our health benefits come up for renewal, we have never, ever chosen an HMO. We always get a PPO (preferred provider). They give you specific doctors in the group but if you choose to go outside of that group, you're still covered. You do have to pay a little more but you can go to whoever you want.

    I just heard on Fox that the Dems are now looking to censor the words "government-run health care". You cannot make this shit up.
     
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    You're absolutely right.

    washingtonpost.com

    CNSNews.com - House Democrats Censor Republican's Use of Term 'Government-Run' Health Care in Constituent Communications

    Censorship in the Health Care Debate
     
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    But then again we obviously have a President who thinks he knows better than a doctor when it comes to certain procedures.

    Obama says tonsillitis is a matter of doctors’ greed - WSJ.com



    is this guy a fucking idiot or what?
     

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