Jimmy Carter's Solar Panels

[Old Rocks]

Big changes are coming in the way that we create energy. And our 'Conservatives' will be against them, whatever those changes are.

 

[The Infidel]

how much woudl we get if every home had pannels?

Every business had pannels?

Some just refuse to understand what unsustainable means

Will you pay for me some solar panels??

Bc I cant afford them!

SOCIAL JUSTICE BITCH....social justice

 

[The Infidel]

Big Oil has the market and alot of our reps bought

You are a parody of intelligence

 

[Old Rocks]

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[skookerasbil]

Big changes are coming in the way that we create energy. And our 'Conservatives' will be against them, whatever those changes are.

You are correct Ray............

Short term = clean coal and natural gas.

Long term = we dont know yet as the technology hasnt been perfected. It will arraive years sooner ONLY if government does not interfere.

 

[whitehall]

The terms "green" and "clean" are completely misleading when applied to manufacturing. First of all there are no green factories. "Green" technology is a myth. It is standard technology allegedly making "green" products. There is a big difference. The solar panel industry is a dirty chemical soaked dangerous process. Gigantic batteries that power "green" cars are made with dangerous heavy metals. You wouldn't mind if they produced something we can use but they are a lie. If you could get enough solar panels to make a difference in your heating bill you would cover a football field and you couldn't get your investment back for about half a century. If the freaking stuff really worked people would be standing in line to get it rather than watching the fraudulent excuses for "green" factories go bankrupt.

 

[The Infidel]

The terms "green" and "clean" are completely misleading when applied to manufacturing. First of all there are no green factories. "Green" technology is a myth. It is standard technology allegedly making "green" products. There is a big difference. The solar panel industry is a dirty chemical soaked dangerous process. Gigantic batteries that power "green" cars are made with dangerous heavy metals. You wouldn't mind if they produced something we can use but they are a lie. If you could get enough solar panels to make a difference in your heating bill you would cover a football field and you couldn't get your investment back for about half a century. If the freaking stuff really worked people would be standing in line to get it rather than watching the fraudulent excuses for "green" factories go bankrupt.

 

[Chris]

There will be other solar manufactures going bankrupt. And there will be some that make a mint. We are where computers were in the late '80s concerning solar. Many, many competators to be sorted out.

Now we can encourage our home grown companies, or we can just cede this technology to China.

The Republicans want to cede our country to China.

Clean energy works.

 

[Old Rocks]

The terms "green" and "clean" are completely misleading when applied to manufacturing. First of all there are no green factories. "Green" technology is a myth. It is standard technology allegedly making "green" products. There is a big difference. The solar panel industry is a dirty chemical soaked dangerous process. Gigantic batteries that power "green" cars are made with dangerous heavy metals. You wouldn't mind if they produced something we can use but they are a lie. If you could get enough solar panels to make a difference in your heating bill you would cover a football field and you couldn't get your investment back for about half a century. If the freaking stuff really worked people would be standing in line to get it rather than watching the fraudulent excuses for "green" factories go bankrupt.

For silicon, the same process that we make our computer chips.

Lithium is a dangerous 'heavy' metal? LOL

Whitey, you are totally full of shit. In China alone, they have the capacity to produce 50 gw of solar cells a year. By percentage of increase, solar is the fastest growing energy sector in the world. And, as the panels continue to increase in efficiency, will remain so, barring only that cold fusion doesn't actually turn out to be feasable. A medium sized roof will produce enough power if covered with solar to completely power the home, and if grid parrallel, will probably get you a check at the end of the year.

 

[Old Rocks]

Big changes are coming in the way that we create energy. And our 'Conservatives' will be against them, whatever those changes are.

You are correct Ray............

Short term = clean coal and natural gas.

Long term = we dont know yet as the technology hasnt been perfected. It will arraive years sooner ONLY if government does not interfere.

Steve, at present, the only clean coal plant actually running is in China. Natural gas will be a better stop gap, but watch what the energy companies are doing. Here in Oregon, they are working on permitting a pipeline and natural gas terminal. Originally being sold as an import terminal to provide more energy to the region, now we find that the plans are for an export terminal.

 

[konradv]

Big changes are coming in the way that we create energy. And our 'Conservatives' will be against them, whatever those changes are.

You are correct Ray............

Short term = clean coal and natural gas.

Long term = we dont know yet as the technology hasnt been perfected. It will arraive years sooner ONLY if government does not interfere.

Long term = fusion. How can private industry manage without the research funds only government can afford?

 

[westwall]

There will be other solar manufactures going bankrupt. And there will be some that make a mint. We are where computers were in the late '80s concerning solar. Many, many competators to be sorted out.

Now we can encourage our home grown companies, or we can just cede this technology to China.

The difference of course being the computer industry funded itself with venture capital while the green energy companies rely nearly 100% on taxpayers largesse to survive. The latest boondoggles have cost the taxpayers a paltrey 2 billion or so. The next boondoggle will cost a little bit more and so it goes.

 

[westwall]

how much woudl we get if every home had pannels?

Every business had pannels?

Some just refuse to understand what unsustainable means

How are your solar panels working out so far?

How are they working out for China?

Not too good. The manufacturing of the panels is causing all sorts of environmental destruction and of course the workers there make around 5 cents an hour so that makes the panels cost enough less that no other country can afford to produce them. Fine, let the Chinese pollute their environment and kill their people to corner the market. We will reverse engineer it after they've been successful, just like they've been doing to us for decades.

 

[westwall]

Big Oil has the market and alot of our reps bought

Yeah sure they are. ENRON was a major player in the Kyoto dealings...but that flies right over your head doesn't it.

 

[westwall]

Big changes are coming in the way that we create energy. And our 'Conservatives' will be against them, whatever those changes are.

So long as they are inefficient and cause more environmental damage then they are supposed to alleviate...YOU BETCHA!

 

[PoliticalChic]

There will be other solar manufactures going bankrupt. And there will be some that make a mint. We are where computers were in the late '80s concerning solar. Many, many competators to be sorted out.

Now we can encourage our home grown companies, or we can just cede this technology to China.

The Republicans want to cede our country to China.

Clean energy works.

How many panels did you install?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The terms "green" and "clean" are completely misleading when applied to manufacturing. First of all there are no green factories. "Green" technology is a myth. It is standard technology allegedly making "green" products. There is a big difference. The solar panel industry is a dirty chemical soaked dangerous process. Gigantic batteries that power "green" cars are made with dangerous heavy metals. You wouldn't mind if they produced something we can use but they are a lie. If you could get enough solar panels to make a difference in your heating bill you would cover a football field and you couldn't get your investment back for about half a century. If the freaking stuff really worked people would be standing in line to get it rather than watching the fraudulent excuses for "green" factories go bankrupt.

For silicon, the same process that we make our computer chips.

Lithium is a dangerous 'heavy' metal? LOL

Whitey, you are totally full of shit. In China alone, they have the capacity to produce 50 gw of solar cells a year. By percentage of increase, solar is the fastest growing energy sector in the world. And, as the panels continue to increase in efficiency, will remain so, barring only that cold fusion doesn't actually turn out to be feasable. A medium sized roof will produce enough power if covered with solar to completely power the home, and if grid parrallel, will probably get you a check at the end of the year.

DETROIT — Federal safety regulators said Friday that they were examining lithium-ion batteries used in electric cars because a Chevrolet Volt ignited three weeks after it underwent a crash test.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration also said it was working with all automakers to develop postcrash procedures to keep occupants of electric vehicles and emergency personnel who respond to crash scenes safe.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/b...xamine-electric-car-batteries-after-fire.html

 

[westwall]

The terms "green" and "clean" are completely misleading when applied to manufacturing. First of all there are no green factories. "Green" technology is a myth. It is standard technology allegedly making "green" products. There is a big difference. The solar panel industry is a dirty chemical soaked dangerous process. Gigantic batteries that power "green" cars are made with dangerous heavy metals. You wouldn't mind if they produced something we can use but they are a lie. If you could get enough solar panels to make a difference in your heating bill you would cover a football field and you couldn't get your investment back for about half a century. If the freaking stuff really worked people would be standing in line to get it rather than watching the fraudulent excuses for "green" factories go bankrupt.

For silicon, the same process that we make our computer chips.

Lithium is a dangerous 'heavy' metal? LOL

Whitey, you are totally full of shit. In China alone, they have the capacity to produce 50 gw of solar cells a year. By percentage of increase, solar is the fastest growing energy sector in the world. And, as the panels continue to increase in efficiency, will remain so, barring only that cold fusion doesn't actually turn out to be feasable. A medium sized roof will produce enough power if covered with solar to completely power the home, and if grid parrallel, will probably get you a check at the end of the year.

So you claim to have two years of geology huh? I really doubt it MENSA BOY, here is a list of symptoms of Lithium Toxicity....followed by the course of treatment neccessary to SAVE THE PERSONS LIFE. SCHMUCK!


Signs of lithium overdose or poisoning are:

1. Persistent diarrhea.

2. Vomiting or severe nausea.

3. Coarse trembling of hands or legs.

4. Frequent muscle twitching such as pronounced jerking of arms or legs.

5. Blurred vision.

6. Marked dizziness.

7. Difficulty walking.

8. Slurred speech.

9. Irregular heart beat.

10. Swelling of the feet or lower legs.


Prevention! Prevention! Prevention!
However, if you detect lithium toxicity symptoms, drink lots of water and DO NOT TAKE ANY MORE LITHIUM. Go immediately to see your doctor or to a hospital emergency room.

If you do have lithium poisoning you will probably be admitted to hospital and cared for by a poisoning specialist.

Treatment will involve maintaining correct kidney functioning as much as possible by managing blood pressure, and replacing fluids and salt. Sometimes dialysis is necessary.





Lithium Toxicity Symptoms - Easy to Identify - Fatal to Ignore

 

[PoliticalChic]

Big changes are coming in the way that we create energy. And our 'Conservatives' will be against them, whatever those changes are.

You are correct Ray............

Short term = clean coal and natural gas.

Long term = we dont know yet as the technology hasnt been perfected. It will arraive years sooner ONLY if government does not interfere.

Long term = fusion. How can private industry manage without the research funds only government can afford?

"How can private industry manage without the research funds only government can afford?"

Really?

"A basic tenet of American capitalism is that supply precedes demand, as can be see in the case of all airports being closed down: the long lines of people unable to get to their destinations is the demand that cannot be fulfilled. This is why entrepreneurs must be given a free hand to produce, to speculate, as the building of more and more airports will lower prices, increasing demand. This is especially true in the case of new technologies.

Both high taxation and over regulation place a damper on this freedom.
“The proceeds from these speculations? the capital paid for stocks and bonds may seem misspent. In the long run, the results are called infrastructure, and they are what economies are built on.”

“Many European postal systems, telegraph lines and railroads were built with government money, and sometimes with insufficient capacity. But in the United States, instead of burdening taxpayers, we sell investors the equivalent of high-priced lottery tickets each time one of these technologies arrives.”
On the Contrary - In Technology, Supply Precedes Demand - NYTimes.com

 

[konradv]

You are correct Ray............

Short term = clean coal and natural gas.

Long term = we dont know yet as the technology hasnt been perfected. It will arraive years sooner ONLY if government does not interfere.

Long term = fusion. How can private industry manage without the research funds only government can afford?

"How can private industry manage without the research funds only government can afford?"

Really?

"A basic tenet of American capitalism is that supply precedes demand, as can be see in the case of all airports being closed down: the long lines of people unable to get to their destinations is the demand that cannot be fulfilled. This is why entrepreneurs must be given a free hand to produce, to speculate, as the building of more and more airports will lower prices, increasing demand. This is especially true in the case of new technologies.

Both high taxation and over regulation place a damper on this freedom.
“The proceeds from these speculations? the capital paid for stocks and bonds may seem misspent. In the long run, the results are called infrastructure, and they are what economies are built on.”

“Many European postal systems, telegraph lines and railroads were built with government money, and sometimes with insufficient capacity. But in the United States, instead of burdening taxpayers, we sell investors the equivalent of high-priced lottery tickets each time one of these technologies arrives.”
On the Contrary - In Technology, Supply Precedes Demand - NYTimes.com

Don't see how your cites prove your premise. Show me a privately built and operated Tokomak or other fusion apparatus and we can talk. We've seen a lot about "cold fusion" lately, but even that technology isn't being jumped on.