Islam and the West.

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This post belongs in Politics because the Koran doesn't differentiate between the political and the religious.




1. In 1993, Samuel Huntington wrote of a "clash of civilizations," dividing the world into two spheres: one of freedom and democracy, and the other of despotism, 'failed states,' and religious fervor.

2. Compare that description of the cultures with Islam's description: dar al-islam (the house of submission), and dar al-harb (the house of war).




3. The West sees the world in terms of said values, and, in doing so, mistakenly tries to understand places that have been deeply inoculated against those values by culture and custom. How can this result in anything but confrontation. In his book, "The West and the Rest," Roger Scruton describes 9/11 based on this confrontation.




4. The simplest, and most frequent explanation for the conflict is the idea of "freedom," with an understanding that Western freedom means the emancipation from constraints.....all constraints.

Here is the fulcrum, according to Scruton: if same is flaunted in the face of all religious prohibitions, it is, in effect, an act of aggression, and one that invites retribution from those whose piety it offends.

5. Consider the following examples in a discussion of 'freedom'... "a man who was wearing little but women's undergarments was allowed to fly the airline, a US Airways spokeswoman conceded Tuesday."
Photo here: US Airways let man wearing women's panties fly - SFGate

a. Recently, on "No Pants Day," when many exercised their "freedom" by going to work in their underwear, a young Muslim woman refused to ride with same, and held up a sign saying" 'Excuse me to have too much dignity, no to the public Brussels transport in underwear.'"
Picture here: 'Excuse me to have too much dignity' - January 12, 2014 | The Economic Times






6. Islamic civilization exists under a common religious belief authorized in a sacred text whose law is never to be altered. Rather than freedom, it is defined by submission. Understanding can be found by looking deeply into the Arabic verb 'salima,' from which are derived 'Islam,' 'salm,' and 'salaam,' meaning submission, peace, and safety. ["The Handy Religion Answer Book" By John Renard, P. 193], implying 'to be secure,' 'unharmed,' or 'blameless.'
Therefore, to be Muslim is to have surrendered, submitted, and obtained security.





7. How does that compare with the rewards offered by Western society? Western civilization has left behind its religious belief and its sacred text to place its trust, not in religious certainties, but in "open discussion, trial and error, and the ubiquitousness of doubt." (Scruton, Ibid.)

8. Perhaps not unexpected, as the West offers freedoms unheard of in Islamic countries, 70% of the world's refugees are Muslims fleeing from places where their religion is the official doctrine. They flee to the West, for opportunity, and personal safety, as well as said freedom.





9. But...the oddity is that, while settling in the West, many of these refugees begin to develop a hatred for their new home...and plan to take revenge on it with only its final destruction as the fitting punishment.
Even less understandable, those Muslims who settle and assimilate often have children, brought up in the West, yet identify as opposition to it, and desire its annihilation.





10. Of course, one can blame Islam...but consider the view from the other side. True, one may see the problem with an atavistic 7th century view of the world...but, for the Muslim it is the fault of the West rejecting the idea of God's immutable will, revealed to his Prophet in the form of an unchangeable code of law.
Roger Scruton, "The West and The Rest."
 
This post belongs in Politics because the Koran doesn't differentiate between the political and the religious.




1. In 1993, Samuel Huntington wrote of a "clash of civilizations," dividing the world into two spheres: one of freedom and democracy, and the other of despotism, 'failed states,' and religious fervor.

2. Compare that description of the cultures with Islam's description: dar al-islam (the house of submission), and dar al-harb (the house of war).




3. The West sees the world in terms of said values, and, in doing so, mistakenly tries to understand places that have been deeply inoculated against those values by culture and custom. How can this result in anything but confrontation. In his book, "The West and the Rest," Roger Scruton describes 9/11 based on this confrontation.




4. The simplest, and most frequent explanation for the conflict is the idea of "freedom," with an understanding that Western freedom means the emancipation from constraints.....all constraints.

Here is the fulcrum, according to Scruton: if same is flaunted in the face of all religious prohibitions, it is, in effect, an act of aggression, and one that invites retribution from those whose piety it offends.

5. Consider the following examples in a discussion of 'freedom'... "a man who was wearing little but women's undergarments was allowed to fly the airline, a US Airways spokeswoman conceded Tuesday."
Photo here: US Airways let man wearing women's panties fly - SFGate

a. Recently, on "No Pants Day," when many exercised their "freedom" by going to work in their underwear, a young Muslim woman refused to ride with same, and held up a sign saying" 'Excuse me to have too much dignity, no to the public Brussels transport in underwear.'"
Picture here: 'Excuse me to have too much dignity' - January 12, 2014 | The Economic Times






6. Islamic civilization exists under a common religious belief authorized in a sacred text whose law is never to be altered. Rather than freedom, it is defined by submission. Understanding can be found by looking deeply into the Arabic verb 'salima,' from which are derived 'Islam,' 'salm,' and 'salaam,' meaning submission, peace, and safety. ["The Handy Religion Answer Book" By John Renard, P. 193], implying 'to be secure,' 'unharmed,' or 'blameless.'
Therefore, to be Muslim is to have surrendered, submitted, and obtained security.





7. How does that compare with the rewards offered by Western society? Western civilization has left behind its religious belief and its sacred text to place its trust, not in religious certainties, but in "open discussion, trial and error, and the ubiquitousness of doubt." (Scruton, Ibid.)

8. Perhaps not unexpected, as the West offers freedoms unheard of in Islamic countries, 70% of the world's refugees are Muslims fleeing from places where their religion is the official doctrine. They flee to the West, for opportunity, and personal safety, as well as said freedom.





9. But...the oddity is that, while settling in the West, many of these refugees begin to develop a hatred for their new home...and plan to take revenge on it with only its final destruction as the fitting punishment.
Even less understandable, those Muslims who settle and assimilate often have children, brought up in the West, yet identify as opposition to it, and desire its annihilation.





10. Of course, one can blame Islam...but consider the view from the other side. True, one may see the problem with an atavistic 7th century view of the world...but, for the Muslim it is the fault of the West rejecting the idea of God's immutable will, revealed to his Prophet in the form of an unchangeable code of law.
Roger Scruton, "The West and The Rest."

Americans have an impact on Islam..... subtle and slow moving for the past 70-80 years.

I would say your author is a fool and out of touch with the realities.
 
This post belongs in Politics because the Koran doesn't differentiate between the political and the religious.




1. In 1993, Samuel Huntington wrote of a "clash of civilizations," dividing the world into two spheres: one of freedom and democracy, and the other of despotism, 'failed states,' and religious fervor.

2. Compare that description of the cultures with Islam's description: dar al-islam (the house of submission), and dar al-harb (the house of war).




3. The West sees the world in terms of said values, and, in doing so, mistakenly tries to understand places that have been deeply inoculated against those values by culture and custom. How can this result in anything but confrontation. In his book, "The West and the Rest," Roger Scruton describes 9/11 based on this confrontation.




4. The simplest, and most frequent explanation for the conflict is the idea of "freedom," with an understanding that Western freedom means the emancipation from constraints.....all constraints.

Here is the fulcrum, according to Scruton: if same is flaunted in the face of all religious prohibitions, it is, in effect, an act of aggression, and one that invites retribution from those whose piety it offends.

5. Consider the following examples in a discussion of 'freedom'... "a man who was wearing little but women's undergarments was allowed to fly the airline, a US Airways spokeswoman conceded Tuesday."
Photo here: US Airways let man wearing women's panties fly - SFGate

a. Recently, on "No Pants Day," when many exercised their "freedom" by going to work in their underwear, a young Muslim woman refused to ride with same, and held up a sign saying" 'Excuse me to have too much dignity, no to the public Brussels transport in underwear.'"
Picture here: 'Excuse me to have too much dignity' - January 12, 2014 | The Economic Times






6. Islamic civilization exists under a common religious belief authorized in a sacred text whose law is never to be altered. Rather than freedom, it is defined by submission. Understanding can be found by looking deeply into the Arabic verb 'salima,' from which are derived 'Islam,' 'salm,' and 'salaam,' meaning submission, peace, and safety. ["The Handy Religion Answer Book" By John Renard, P. 193], implying 'to be secure,' 'unharmed,' or 'blameless.'
Therefore, to be Muslim is to have surrendered, submitted, and obtained security.





7. How does that compare with the rewards offered by Western society? Western civilization has left behind its religious belief and its sacred text to place its trust, not in religious certainties, but in "open discussion, trial and error, and the ubiquitousness of doubt." (Scruton, Ibid.)

8. Perhaps not unexpected, as the West offers freedoms unheard of in Islamic countries, 70% of the world's refugees are Muslims fleeing from places where their religion is the official doctrine. They flee to the West, for opportunity, and personal safety, as well as said freedom.





9. But...the oddity is that, while settling in the West, many of these refugees begin to develop a hatred for their new home...and plan to take revenge on it with only its final destruction as the fitting punishment.
Even less understandable, those Muslims who settle and assimilate often have children, brought up in the West, yet identify as opposition to it, and desire its annihilation.





10. Of course, one can blame Islam...but consider the view from the other side. True, one may see the problem with an atavistic 7th century view of the world...but, for the Muslim it is the fault of the West rejecting the idea of God's immutable will, revealed to his Prophet in the form of an unchangeable code of law.
Roger Scruton, "The West and The Rest."

Americans have an impact on Islam..... subtle and slow moving for the past 70-80 years.

I would say your author is a fool and out of touch with the realities.






What an interesting coincidence.....

I've read several of your posts, and have that very opinion of you.
 
can you provide me w/ a synopsis of your OP PC? one or two sentences will suffice :thup:

THEN, I may respond if it isn't too overtly subjective. :doubt: I refuse to wade through your intentionally drawn-out OP's w/ your made-up formatting :eusa_hand:
 
can you provide me w/ a synopsis of your OP PC? one or two sentences will suffice :thup:

THEN, I may respond if it isn't too overtly subjective. :doubt: I refuse to wade through your intentionally drawn-out OP's w/ your made-up formatting :eusa_hand:



Sorry,....it's for adults.


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