Is this racist?

[Curried Goats]

There is greater genetic difference between black Africans than black Africans and white Europeans.

Think about the words for a few days. Maybe it'll make sense how insane you really are

I have thought about it. You haven't thought about it because you're a moron and scientifically illiterate. Africa is very big content. Why wouldn't Africans from the North East be genetically diverse from Africans from the South West?

 

[MisterBeale]

True. But if present with an array of symptoms that don’t show up in a general family history survey, knowing your racial or ethnic background might help with a quicker diagnosis.

Or cause the diagnostician to make sloppy racist quick assumption, rather than doing a thorough array of diagnostic testing.

Some conditions that are chronic are common in some genetic groups, can have very similar symptoms to other maladies. A sloppy, or racist clinician could very easily treat a person as a member of a group, rather than as an individual.

 

[MisterBeale]

Haven't evolved in 100,000 years. No contact with the white race

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Thinks they’ve evolved….
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uh oh. . .

poop flinging has started.

 

[JoeMoma]

Objective reality is proven through science and facts. Delineating race based on melanin production rather than eye color, left handedness or hereditary disposition to baldness is entirely arbitrary. Genetic variations exist but they are much more diverse than skin color.

Who is saying skin color is the only at factor delineating race? Genetic variation exist between all individuals, but certain common genetic factors exist within isolated groups that are both observable and measurable.....in other words, science. An albino Chinese person still looks Chinese even if he is whiter than most "White" people.

 

[DGS49]

It is incredibly ironic that ALL of the people who claim that "race" is nothing but a social construct are the SAME people who say that no "white" person can possibly have any insight into the experiences or life of anyone who is even 1/64 African ("Negro"). So race is NOTHING, while at the same time, race is EVERYTHING.

So in addition to being evil, Leftists are stupid an illogical.

People of the same SPECIES can copulate and produce offspring. Apparently Negros and Caucasians and Asians, and Austrailoids can copulate and produce non-deformed offspring. Hence, that (we) are all the same species. Who knew?

Although I believe that Mules (which do not reproduce) are produced by mating a horse with a donkey. This is why Conservatives should not reproduce with Leftists. Who knows what might come out of it?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

ALL living mammals have different metabolisms and traits are often shared in Human populations and disease differences among the Human Species are actually very small

That is all you have?

I made it clear Race isn't part of the Human Classification Species and since Humans are over 99% genetically shared the tiny trait differences are IRRELEVANT.

There is only ONE Human Species and that is it.

And yet you find consistent behaviors among the RACES wherever they exist on the planet.

Whites share very common behaviors anywhere they exist as a group on the planet. Blacks are the same everywhere on the planet.

Where are the inventions of the African race, developed without the influence of the white man? Answer? There are none.

Where are their skyscrapers? Their computers? Automobiles? Mechanized farming? ANYTHING they developed independently of the white man. There is none. Not even real ROADS. The Qmerican injun never even had more that worn trails for their "roads." No different than the deer. They created nothing.

 

[Paul Essien]

longly
Have you ever heard of forensic anthropology?

Yes.

longly
These people can take a skull of an unidentified person and reconstruct the face based on racial differences with a rather good accuracy. They couldn't do that if there were no racial differences.

This is like saying all brown-eyed people form one race and all blue-eyed people form another. Just because eye colour is one observable similarity or difference, that doesn’t make the individuals and populations that have the characteristic, and 2 clearly defined “races”.

There are observable differences between people. Some human beings have hair that grows downward. Some human hair grows grows in curls sideways and upward. Some humans have digestive systems that makes them unable to metabolize cow’s milk. Others are more prone to skin cancer, and so on and on.

But as much as those examples of genetic diversity are self-evident and SOMETIMES correlate to places and “racial” divisions, the distribution of specific genes is not the same as the existence of a race — and something that can consistently, accurately identify individuals or populations.

Those two things are different, but they get confused with each other.

 

[Paul Essien]

Death Angel
Where are the inventions of the African race, developed without the influence of the white man? Answer? There are none.

You ask this question because you suffer in the area of perception as it’s limited to what other people you respect have told you as opposed to finding your own knowledge and understanding.

• Less than 22% of the world is white.
• Less than 11% of the world is white and male.
• Less than 2.3% of the world is white, male and speaks English.

Yet they run the BBC, CNN, the New York Times, Harvard, Yale, Oxford and Cambridge. They write most of the Hollywood films and Wikipedia articles. They own Facebook. They own twitter.

And most people’s knowledge of the world comes from that 2.3% of people.

A 2.3% that has a limited, racist view on things. So I understand why you would ask a question like this.

Not that English-speaking white men are always wrong. But when they do generally agree on something but are wrong about it, it is very hard to set it right.

The white English speaking male POV is often taken as THE truth. It is extremely difficult to question it, let alone offer another view of the issue.

Black people have invented more things beneficial to the progress of mankind than anyone else.

That’s simply because we have been on the planet longer than anyone else.

Yes most inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people. So sure whites have invented some wonderful things

But at the same time 99.99% of white people have invented nothing.

And those inventions are only because whites have been on top during that time. And in the past few hundred years whites have theorized that blacks are subhuman, then why open the door to a monkey ? That’s been white supremacist logic and if they never let blacks get into anything, the logic is safe.

If white inventions were because white people are born with more brains, then they would have been on top all throughout all history.

Anglo power (European and American) is fresh in our minds, but it is merely the latest chapter in the book of history. And that is the Historical Context that you’re argument forgets.

So western inventions are not because white people are so much smarter than everyone else but because progress in science and invention is built on what has gone before.

The more science you know the more science you can discover. The more inventions you have at hand. The more new inventions you can come up with. That is why the progress is exponential. It comes from the nature of science and technology, not from the nature of white intelligence.

You forget that you live at only one point in history, that other points in history were different. 700 years ago the Chinese could have ran around bragging how smart and inventive they were. After all whites would be nowhere without four Chinese inventions:

1) Gunpowder
2) The compass
3) Paper
4) The printing press.

Their rise to world power was built on these.

It also must be remembered that it’s not so much about who invents. It’s ALL about who gets the patent.

Whites have done it for ages.

They see an idea, invention, something which is common somewhere else, go back home, patent it and claim the rights.

That's why you have stories like last year the black South African (Nkosinathi Nkomo) created a water purification invention to assist the drought in Cape Town then he mysteriously falls from a building a dies.

A few months later someone comes up with the same invention.

Coincedence ?

His invention would have make him a billionaire and his descendents.

Mark Zuckerberg wasn't over in Nigeria a few years ago for the weather

He was over their stealing ideas and taken them bk to America and pass them of as his.

But it is pretty widely acknowledged that virtually no basic technologies were strictly speaking invented in Europe or the United States. Instead, European societies aggregated technologies. Metalwork, the plow, hydrocarbon fuels, higher mathematics, paper, wind-powered sea navigation, the compass, gun powder, and steam engines all came from elsewhere. In terms of the crucial agricultural products that feed everyone in the modern world, too, none originated in Europe.

Black Africans were the original inventors of the disciplines that helped bring the world into the modern age.

Black people are :

• The Fathers of Mathematics.
• The Fathers of Physics.
• The Fathers of Chemistry
• The Fathers of Astronomy.
• The Fathers of civilisation.
• The Fathers of building in stone and bricks.
• The fathers of Writing Languages like Edo Script, Nsibidi are three African writing systems that pre-date the arrival of Europeans on the continent.

In fact Africans invented the binary system which is still used in the Yoruba oracle and was copied by German scientists and applied to computer programming.

Calendars, irrigation, mining, metal block printing, fountain pen, astrolabic quadrant, hand cannon and an emphasis of the kind of tools used in architecture.

All the ancient formulas in trigonometry, calculus and physics as well as chemistry were invented by black people. All of these were begun by Blacks in Egypt, Nubia-Kush.

Black ppl gave the world the alphabet (Phoenicians were black Moorish people from North Africa...the word PHONICS comes from them) and numbers (Arabic numbers are 0-9 as opposed to Roman numerals which don't have a zero making higher math IMPOSSIBLE).

So even if people of European origins have made improvements in ancient technologies and ancient inventions, such as rocketry, computer technology, aerodynamics and others, the basic mathematical formulas and ancient prototypes were invented by Africans

Civilization is not a white invention. Greek civilization comes from Egypt. But whites see it as the starting point because it was the first “white” country to be civilized. And it was first only because it was closest to Egypt.

People are taught to turn a blind eye to the Egyptian roots of Greek civilization.

The columns, the paper, the science and mathematics all came straight out of Egypt.

Even before Alexandria became the centre of Greek learning, people like Plato, Pythagoras, Solon and Thales all studied in Egypt.

But to be honest :

Agriculture and Iron Smelting were two of the most important things humans ever discovered.

They were both developed, independently in West Africa. Humans spent 10s of thousands of years as hunter gatherers before somebody figured out that if you plant seeds in the ground, irrigate and take care of them, you can settle in one area and not have to wander about looking for food.

Seems pretty obvious, but if nobody explained it to you, you’d have no idea how it works.

Iron industry, in both smelting and forging for tools and weapons, appeared in Sub-Saharan Africa by 1200 BCE

When you look back in history you realize that no one in their right mind in 1500 would have thought that some day English would become a world language, a respected language of learning, science and business. If you said that in 1500 people would have thought you had too much to drink because medieval Europe was a sh*t hole. Until the Blacks came in from Africa and cleaned it up.

That’s why the Spanish (to this day) annually dress every year in blackface. Racist as F. But they know their history.

The stench of medieval Europe still echoes today. The Middle Ages smelt of sewage and decaying bodies. The Queen of Spain Isabel of Castle (the end of the 15th century) confessed that she had taken a bath only twice in a lifetime when born and married.

French kings died of lice. People emptied chamber pots right out of their windows making streets look like cesspools. Fleas, lice and bugs swarmed in rich and poor houses of London and Paris.

Unsanitary conditions, diseases and starvation were what early Europe was. Noble families were happy if at best two or three of ten children survived. A third of women died in labor. They had no street illumination. In Ancient Rome they sold even the urine from latrines to wool dyers and leather tanners.

Rain was the only street cleaner in those times. The black plague almost killed all of white Europe in the 13th, due to UNSANITARY conditions.

The truth of the matter is early Europeans were nasty mofos.

Black people (moors) from Africa civilized Europe. There were bath houses all thru Moorish Spain as well as well lit streets, Universities, Palaces. While 1% of Europe was literate, there were over 90 universities in the Moorish Empire. They were responsible from bringing them out of the dark ages.

These blacks are responsible for the white boy 'renaissance' where they had a refocus on science, learning and math. BLACK MOORS are the ones who inspired this reawakening.

They built stuff like

And this was throughout Europe.

That's why they have statues of blk ppl on many European countries

They introduced art, architecture, sciences, medicines, animal husbandry and other advanced disciplines to Spain and the rest of Europe. This was the catalyst which led to the European Renaissance.

Most of Western European scientific discoveries or rather copies of the original discoveries of Africans were put to use during the sixteenth to the twentieth centuries.

It was during this time that some of the great scientific and technological discoveries and inventions were made.

Yet, these discoveries and inventions were and are merely improvements on ancient discoveries made by Africans Blacks.

For example, gunpowder was invented by the ancient Egyptians and Nigerians who used the cola nut to make gunpowder. The Chinese reinvented it and used it in fireworks and explosives.

Steel work and iron smelting was invented by Africans in ancient Tanzania, where ancient cone-like blast furnaces with bellows still exist to this very day and are still used.

The hydraulic pump for lifting water and irrigation was invented by Africans in Egypt

SERIOUS White historians know these facts very well.

They also know that to tell the truth would reveal the dominate position the Black ppl in the bronze-age.

SERIOUS white historians know they were barbarians when the foundation of world civilization was built by black ppl but few western historians will tell the full story of man's racial history to do so would challenge the Aryan model of history.

If you have got this far down then I'm sure these observations seem like "junk-science" or "radical" interpretations..

Education doesn't equal intelligence, intelligence doesn't equal knowledge, knowledge doesn't equal understanding and understanding doesn't equal wisdom.

Observe, find you own understanding outside the books, or even other people. Calling me radical is the ultimate compliment, cause that means I'm blazing my own path, long as I keep moving, its all good.

 

[Paul Essien]

It is incredibly ironic that ALL of the people who claim that "race" is nothing but a social construct are the SAME people who say that no "white" person can possibly have any insight into the experiences or life of anyone who is even 1/64 African ("Negro"). So race is NOTHING, while at the same time, race is EVERYTHING.

So in addition to being evil, Leftists are stupid an illogical.

People of the same SPECIES can copulate and produce offspring. Apparently Negros and Caucasians and Asians, and Austrailoids can copulate and produce non-deformed offspring. Hence, that (we) are all the same species. Who knew?

Although I believe that Mules (which do not reproduce) are produced by mating a horse with a donkey. This is why Conservatives should not reproduce with Leftists. Who knows what might come out of it?

It has never been a case of there not being differences between the way human beings look. The trouble is in the imprecise taxonomy. How do you define a “race” ?

There are vast differences in appearance within every “race” and there are some pretty striking similarities between people’s of different races. So, it’s the arbitrary drawing of the lines that makes one wonder who defines race?

Why should a blond-haired, blue-eyed, person with straight hair and fair skin belong to the same “race” as a brown-haired, brown-eyed man with curly hair texture and tan skin? Who decides that those differences do not make them from different races?

 

[flacaltenn]

Nut race is also a political/cultural concept designed to place people on an axis of inferior/superior characteristics that supported a number of practices, policies and attitudes

Nut race? the inferiority/superiority thing is what needs to die.. NOT the use of race itself as a descriptor of your heritage and culture.

NOBODY "woke or not" is gonna PULL that valuable shorthand for your genetic and cultural heritage from Blacks, Whites, Asians, Browns, or Reds without a fight. And in that fight -- science is on their side. Because it is credibly true shorthand for discussing medicine, "SOCIAL EQUALITY", Racism, ect.

RACISM dearest is STILL gonna exist LONG after the wokesters banish the use of race as a descriptor.

And like I said -- IF YOU want to join that party -- Go to BLM and work them over FIRST about "race is just a useless social construct".. That's WHY this is so ridiculous. It's NOT "rightists" pushing this canceling of race. It's Leftist racial apologists TRIPPING over each other and eventually clashing with folks they're PRETENDING to help.

Asians are as "race superior" behind closed doors as any. Depending on their education/economic/power levels in their society. THEY or the Native Americans would not be happy with stripping race from the conversation either. It part of their IDENTITY and CULTURE and shorthand for their scientific heritage.

 

[flacaltenn]

Some look white, some look black, and some look native American --- but they are all related.

It directly contradicts the premise. . . "Races are a fact," if all of these folks are in the same group but are directly related to one another.

Simple.. HOW did you explain these peoples' origins? YOU USED RACES to do that. In comparison, the Wiki link you gave put me to sleep explaining it by family links. Same thing. It;s all genetic origins. But SAYING black, white, yellow, brown, or Native indian is SO MUCH MORE Quicker than a 20 page PowerPoint presentation of your family tree. And ALSO -- Race associates CULTURE AND ORIGINS.

Let's stop pretending there is NO usefulness or scientific basis for Race classifications.

And you seem to believe that OFFSPRING of intermarriages out to just have HOMOGENIZED features. It's the genetics that explain why this group you picked are still rocking a certain ancestor. Depends on maternal lines being a lot DIFFERENT than paternal line. AND CHANCE!!!!

So if a bunch of woke people want to PRETEND there's no value OR TRUTH to MAKING racial distinctions or as "shorthand" for genetic heritage -- They should try that idea out first on BLM and get their asses kicked intellectually with science and pragmatism.

 

[Curried Goats]

Who is saying skin color is the only at factor delineating race? Genetic variation exist between all individuals, but certain common genetic factors exist within isolated groups that are both observable and measurable.....in other words, science. An albino Chinese person still looks Chinese even if he is whiter than most "White" people.

Morons like Death Angel are focusing on skin color but you're not doing much better focusing on appearance, it seems neither of you, despite wanting to claim genetics as the foundation of your beliefs, can look beyond skin deep. How ironic.

 

[MisterBeale]

Simple.. HOW did you explain these peoples' origins? YOU USED RACES to do that. In comparison, the Wiki link you gave put me to sleep explaining it by family links. Same thing. It;s all genetic origins. But SAYING black, white, yellow, brown, or Native indian is SO MUCH MORE Quicker than a 20 page PowerPoint presentation of your family tree. And ALSO -- Race associates CULTURE AND ORIGINS.

Let's stop pretending there is NO usefulness or scientific basis for Race classifications.

And you seem to believe that OFFSPRING of intermarriages out to just have HOMOGENIZED features. It's the genetics that explain why this group you picked are still rocking a certain ancestor. Depends on maternal lines being a lot DIFFERENT than paternal line. AND CHANCE!!!!

So if a bunch of woke people want to PRETEND there's no value OR TRUTH to MAKING racial distinctions or as "shorthand" for genetic heritage -- They should try that idea out first on BLM and get their asses kicked intellectually with science and pragmatism.

Let's just agree to disagree, shall we?

I think the reason we won't ever agree on this, is I was classically trained in anthropology. You are using the layman's definition of, "race."

"A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them."

Racial Groups

Definition, Synonyms, Translations of Racial Groups by The Free Dictionary

www.thefreedictionary.com

 

[flacaltenn]

Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them."

That's not very specific or useful. We SHARE 50% of DNA with a banana. 97% with a Bonobo. About 70% with a field mouse. MOST DNA is inactivated junk relics of evolution.

And THEN you add this canard about genetic variability within groups, being larger than between groups. Well that inter-group variability is LIKELY MOSTLY the SAME DNA coding in EACH RACE for various physical features and susceptibility to disease, aging, sexual expression, etc. It's just INHERENT in being human and NOT a Bonobo. And most of this "common to all races" coding is not GOOD. It defines your life span, your height, when you lose your hair, or chances of getting severely ill or being deformed at birth. While the part that goes with racial origins IS USEFUL in many scenarios.

Making the point irrelevant to the small fraction of genetic code that identifies with a race. Ability to manufacture Vitamin D for instance is both the original TWEAK to skin color and a big reason that Black folks had a harder time with fighting Covid.

Race can't be dismissed. Ask BLM or La Raza. It's a valuable way to communicate in SOCIETAL issues and in science. How can there be "social justice" or even history taught after you attempt to purge the validity of race?

What SHOULD be purged is PREJUDICE between races. That's the source of ALL friction.

 

[JoeMoma]

Morons like Death Angel are focusing on skin color but you're not doing much better focusing on appearance, it seems neither of you, despite wanting to claim genetics as the foundation of your beliefs, can look beyond skin deep. How ironic.

You might want to reread my post. Traits that are observable and measurable is more than skin deep. That being said, a two year old can tell the different between someone indigenous to East Asia from someone indigenous to West Africa, thus race does exist.

 

[Curried Goats]

You might want to reread my post. Traits that are observable and measurable is more than skin deep. That being said, a two year old can tell the different between someone indigenous to East Asia from someone indigenous to West Africa, thus race does exist.

Well that explains it, your scientific understanding is no more complex than that of a two year old. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[JoeMoma]

Well that explains it, your scientific understanding is no more complex than that of a two year old. Thanks for the confirmation.

I'm thinking you didn't do well at this.

 

[Curried Goats]

I'm thinking you didn't do well at this.

Sesame Street helps children identify shapes and colors, the complexity of human genetic diversity is a bit more advanced but you go ahead and continue to admit that you disagree. That's not quite the insult to me that you think it is. But then again your education never went beyond big bird.

 

[TheParser]

Yes, some African Americans are nicer (and smarter) than many Asians, Caucasians, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

BUT when you are walking down the street, your possibilities of being assaulted or even killed by an African American are greater than being attacked by someone of those other ethnicities.

Dems explain that poverty & systemic racism are responsible for that fact.

Maybe so.

But it is cold comfort to someone who has just been robbed or sucker punched or raped or murdered!

 

[flacaltenn]

Let's just agree to disagree, shall we?

I think the reason we won't ever agree on this, is I was classically trained in anthropology. You are using the layman's definition of, "race."

"A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them."

Racial Groups

Definition, Synonyms, Translations of Racial Groups by The Free Dictionary

www.thefreedictionary.com

Was thinking about the portion size of human DNA that has no variability between races last night -- compared portion size that is race variant.

You can twist statistics quite easily by omissions or definitions that favor an argument. So that portion that is COMMON between the race EXCLUDES differentiation between SEXES.. You could have girl/boy twins and more than 50% of that commonality becomes REALLY different. Because if you EXCLUDE sex determination and linked traits -- that POOL of commonality really shrinks -- doesn't it?

There IS a concerted effort in all of science to cancel race as a useful descriptor. Much the same as help from science that the Woking Dead use to cancel sex differentiation. And I believe that MOST of this effort is less than 2 decades old.

Not really buying it. Think it will screw up the problem they are trying to fix. Just like most of the rest of their agenda. Need to kill the idea of "being proud" about race and the stereotyping of hate based on race instead.