Is Personal Responsibility a thing of the past?

A think an excellent example of personal responsibility is the individual mandate. Expecting people who can afford to contribute to their healthcare costs to do so if a terrific example of personal responsibility. Wonder why some folks are against it? Too much personal responsibility?

Personal responsibility means you are responsible for managing every aspect of your life and existence. It does not mean a mommy or daddy dictating, managing, mandating affairs in your PERSONAL life.

I can't believe some adults out there can be such total FUPs (fuck ups). What on earth could explain such FAIL? Why can't they get their act together and show some pride in themselves and take charge of their life, fate, and destiny for themselves?
 
We look up to losers in our society. lucky fools or aggressive mongrels. Who wants responsibility it is viewed as a ball and chain. The less of it the freer we are from facing ourselves. the more disinfranchised we become with ourselves. The more numb we become to our failures as an individual. If you you never owned it you never failed at it. This is the mantra of today's society in the USA. But personal responsibility is what makes us have more fullfilling lives. Wait until we hit an absolute zero level of respect for ourselves (rock bottom) then maybe as a society we will come back to being responsible.
 
Personal Responsibility a thing of the past?

With this class divide that is being created in this country, I wonder if Personal Responsibility has become a goal of the past. We hear of the horrid 1% truly successful individuals and how they somehow are to be perceived as the enemy in today’s society.

A majority of Americans now want to tax millionaires, who are in many cases, the small business owners who employ most of the Americans as a plan to draw down our debt when it would be a minuscule touch to that enormous deficit at the expense of jobs, called the Buffet Rule. But who is talking about curbing the entitlements that encourage able people NOT to work, but sit at home waiting for the government check?

Who discusses the way we have rewarded the youth today with trophies for just showing up to ball games, allowing students to pass on to the next grades without meeting the basic curriculum ending with students who cannot read on a 4th grade level in 8th grade leading to drop outs at an alarming rate?

We give out grants to college and offer remedial reading and writing courses there demonstrating these students don’t belong there in the first place.

We have parents who are still allowing their kids to live in their basements while feeding and clothing them well after the age of majority. Who has dropped the ball here? The OWS has been a perfect example of the lost generation where they want what others have without working for it. Is this our future generation?

"We give out grants to college student"? We? Republicans act as if they aren't the ones getting the bulk of food stamps, Medicare, Social Security and Welfare. Hilarious.

So....you sound like you'd subscribe to the idea that there should be no federal aid of any kind for schooling beyond high school....

The federal aid is the reason that college costs have increased faster than healthcare [before ObamaCare added to that]....



Increases in healthcare expenditures:
2003 8.6%
2004 6.9%
2005 6.5%
2006 6.7%
2007 6.1%
Compare to 10.5% in 1970 and 13% in 1980

For purposes of comparison, education:
Tuition at private colleges and universities has increased anywhere from 5% to 13% every year since 1980. "
The Cost of a College Education

OK, deanie......Let's get the government out of college-costs!
 
With this class divide that is being created in this country, I wonder if Personal Responsibility has become a goal of the past. We hear of the horrid 1% truly successful individuals and how they somehow are to be perceived as the enemy in today’s society.

Nonsense, a rightist contrivance. No one perceives successful people as ‘the enemy.’

A majority of Americans now want to tax millionaires, who are in many cases, the small business owners who employ most of the Americans as a plan to draw down our debt when it would be a minuscule touch to that enormous deficit at the expense of jobs, called the Buffet Rule.

No, a majority is opposed to the Federal budget being balanced on the backs of the working class, seniors, the disabled, and children.

But who is talking about curbing the entitlements that encourage able people NOT to work, but sit at home waiting for the government check?

Where on earth do you rightists come up with this ignorant idiocy?

Recipients of public assistance constitute a tiny percentage of overall government spending. Those who receive Cash assistance are required to look for work as a condition of ongoing eligibility, failure to do so means benefits are terminated. Otherwise those receiving Federal benefits are not able to work: the elderly, the disabled, and children.

Who discusses the way we have rewarded the youth today with trophies for just showing up to ball games, allowing students to pass on to the next grades without meeting the basic curriculum ending with students who cannot read on a 4th grade level in 8th grade leading to drop outs at an alarming rate?

We give out grants to college and offer remedial reading and writing courses there demonstrating these students don’t belong there in the first place.

That school systems struggle to provide adequate education is primarily a consequence of budget cuts per conservative fiscal dogma.

We have parents who are still allowing their kids to live in their basements while feeding and clothing them well after the age of majority. Who has dropped the ball here?

And what do you propose? Laws banning persons of a certain age from living with their parents? This has more to do with current economic conditions rather than ‘poor parenting skills.’

The OWS has been a perfect example of the lost generation where they want what others have without working for it. Is this our future generation?

Obviously you know nothing about OWS.
 
Personal Responsibility a thing of the past?

With this class divide that is being created in this country, I wonder if Personal Responsibility has become a goal of the past. We hear of the horrid 1% truly successful individuals and how they somehow are to be perceived as the enemy in today’s society.

A majority of Americans now want to tax millionaires, who are in many cases, the small business owners who employ most of the Americans as a plan to draw down our debt when it would be a minuscule touch to that enormous deficit at the expense of jobs, called the Buffet Rule. But who is talking about curbing the entitlements that encourage able people NOT to work, but sit at home waiting for the government check?

Who discusses the way we have rewarded the youth today with trophies for just showing up to ball games, allowing students to pass on to the next grades without meeting the basic curriculum ending with students who cannot read on a 4th grade level in 8th grade leading to drop outs at an alarming rate?

We give out grants to college and offer remedial reading and writing courses there demonstrating these students don’t belong there in the first place.

We have parents who are still allowing their kids to live in their basements while feeding and clothing them well after the age of majority. Who has dropped the ball here? The OWS has been a perfect example of the lost generation where they want what others have without working for it. Is this our future generation?

Personal accountability, for sure, has trainwrecked. The lack of loyalty, morals and just general attitudes of doing the right thing to the best of one's ability, or job description, almost seems like a laughable attitude, to so many, in and out of politics....
 
I decided not to read It Takes A Village when I saw Hillary on a talk show and learned the theme of the book is modeled after an African philosophy. Why would the richest country on earth adopt a philosophy from a country that is ridden with disease, pestilence, famine, and death? I see no rational reason at all.

Personal responsibility cannot really be taught at the community level. It has to be taught at home. My children don't live in my basement, but were willing to support me and give me the master suite in my daughter's home when I became ill. All children the age of mine don't live at home. But I know a lot of people whose grown children do live at home and make the aging parents' lives hell. Still, statistics show that the majority of Alzheimer's patients are cared for in the home, not in residential facilities. We can make some sweeping generalizations, but I don't think the ones on this thread are necessarily the correct sweeping generalizations.
 
Personal Responsibility a thing of the past?

With this class divide that is being created in this country, I wonder if Personal Responsibility has become a goal of the past. We hear of the horrid 1% truly successful individuals and how they somehow are to be perceived as the enemy in today’s society.

A majority of Americans now want to tax millionaires, who are in many cases, the small business owners who employ most of the Americans as a plan to draw down our debt when it would be a minuscule touch to that enormous deficit at the expense of jobs, called the Buffet Rule. But who is talking about curbing the entitlements that encourage able people NOT to work, but sit at home waiting for the government check?

Who discusses the way we have rewarded the youth today with trophies for just showing up to ball games, allowing students to pass on to the next grades without meeting the basic curriculum ending with students who cannot read on a 4th grade level in 8th grade leading to drop outs at an alarming rate?

We give out grants to college and offer remedial reading and writing courses there demonstrating these students don’t belong there in the first place.

We have parents who are still allowing their kids to live in their basements while feeding and clothing them well after the age of majority. Who has dropped the ball here? The OWS has been a perfect example of the lost generation where they want what others have without working for it. Is this our future generation?

Good thinking on your part; good post.

I'd like to add two things aimed at understanding the phenomenon that you've highlighted:

1. Sociologist Helmut Schoeck’s observation: “Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.” Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

2. "But the dissolution of the belief in the work ethic began with the cultural protests of the 1960s, which questioned and discarded many traditional American virtues. The roots of this breakup lay in what Daniel Bell described in "The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism" as the rejection of traditional bourgeois qualities by late-nineteenth-century European artists and intellectuals who sought “to substitute for religion or morality an aesthetic justification of life.”

a. By the 1960s, that modernist tendency had evolved into a credo of self-fulfillment in which “nothing is forbidden, all is to be explored,” Bell wrote. Out went the Protestant ethic’s prudence, thrift, temperance, self-discipline, and deferral of gratification. As the editor of the 1973 American Work Ethic noted, “affluence, hedonism and radicalism” became the new axiom. The time-honored definition of virtue abandoned the notion of rewarding traditional bourgeois virtues like completing an education or marrying to substitute pursuit of cash, recycling trash, saving endangered species, showing tolerance and sensitivity.

b. Attitudes toward businessmen changed, too. While film and television had formerly offered a balanced portrait of work and employers, notes film critic Michael Medved in Hollywood vs. America, from the mid-1960s onward, movies and TV portrayed business executives almost exclusively as villains or buffoons.

c. University education departments began to tell future grammar school teachers that they should replace the traditional teacher-centered curriculum, aimed at producing educated citizens who embraced a common American ethic, with a new, child-centered approach that treats every pupil’s “personal development” as different and special. During the 1960s, when intellectuals and college students dismissed traditional American values as oppressive barriers to fulfillment, grammar schools generally jettisoned the traditional curriculum. “Education professors eagerly joined New Left professors to promote the idea that any top-down imposition of any curriculum would be a right-wing plot designed to perpetuate the dominant white, male, bourgeois power structure,” writes education reformer E. D. Hirsch, Jr., in his forthcoming The Making of Americans: Democracy and Our Schools.

d. When schools threw out the bourgeois values that had helped to sustain Weber’s “rational tempering” of the impulse to accumulate wealth, they removed the rationality in “rational self-interest,” or, as Tocqueville put it, “self-interest rightly understood.” The new “every child is special” curriculum prompted a sharp uptick in students’ self-absorption, according to psychologists Jean M. Twenge and W. Keith Campbell in "The Narcissism Epidemic: Living in the Age of Entitlement." What resulted was a series of increasingly self-centered generations of young people displaying progressively more narcissistic personality traits, including a growing obsession with “material wealth and physical appearance,” the authors observe. Adam Smith’s "The Theory of Moral Sentiments," traces the evolution of ethics from man’s nature as a social being who feels shame if he does something that he believes a neutral observer would consider improper. Modern experiments in neuroscience have tended to confirm Smith’s notion that our virtues derive from our empathy for others, therefore being self-centered is the antithesis of a sense of shame. [An extensive explanation of the Left’s control of education may be found in Pedagogy of the Oppressor, by Sol Stern at Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern, City Journal Spring 2009"
Whatever Happened to the Work Ethic? by Steven Malanga, City Journal Summer 2009

Very thought provoking.

I had half joked about calling this newest generation, the Bartleby Generation. Then I found an actual college project called The Bartleby Project where members refuse to do course work and refuse to take tests but still expect excellent grades.


And I taught in a college where the administration just could NOT understand why students who took 3 tries to get their Cs in remedial reading and remedial math couldn't pass nursing. Go figure!~ Do you want that person for a nurse? I don't.
 
But I know a lot of people whose grown children do live at home and make the aging parents' lives hell.

I knew someone like that. After I got out of the military I rented the top floor of an elderly couples home. It was a nice arrangement. They benefited from the undeclared income and help keeping the yard nice and I didn't have to live in a apartment filled with noisy lowlifes. We would have coffee together in the morning. They treated me as a son. Was nice ... until their drunkoholic son returned home to live in the basement ... because I lived on the top floor now, and his parents lived on the ground level. It didn't take long for that shit to knock on my door asking to borrow money. About 6 months later I helped send him away to prison long enough to outlive his poor parents.
 

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