CDZ Is it Treason

[JakeStarkey]

If we are not going to put overseas, then we can easily reduce the size of the ground forces. More Spec Ops, Ranger battalions, Green Berets, and four or five active divisions with a force reserve of thirteen divisions in the USAR and NG.

Air, sub, nuclear and tech divisions should all be multiplied.

What is the threat?

Now? About half the planet.

Are you serious?

We have a larger military than the next ten nations combined. Eight of those nations are our allies

Of course they are. All allies are provisional.

No, we have not been preparing for war against Britian and France since 1945. We can our DOD budget by 30% over ten years with no impact on her strategic, operational, and tactical capacity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

 

[rightwinger]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Why....what military force to you think we need to fight Islam?

 

[RoccoR]

rightwinger, et al,

I'm not sure this is true at all. But this is neither here nor there relative ti the Original Question: Is it Treason?

Realistically, we could defend our borders with 10% of our existing military. With our geography between two huge oceans and peaceful neighbors it does not take much to "keep us safe"
The other 90% we spend on our military is to project our power around the globe. How much of that is actually needed is open for debate

(COMMENT)

Treason is a very special crime; one of the few that is define by The Constitution (as opposed to the US Code --- A Constitutional Crime). As near as I can tell, no one has mentioned anything relevant to "Treason."

The maintenance of the defense capability (advocating an increase or reduction) of the US, is not an issue of Treason [Number one of the Top Five Crimes (Treason, Sedition, Subversion, Espionage, Sabotage)]; merely politics and the federal allocation of resources.

The defense of the nation and the allocation of resources (tax dollars) relative to the three services of the armed forces (Army, Navy, Air Force) and the authorized militia (National Guards) is a duty and function of Congress --- the representing the people. Thus, the subject of open debate (both pro's and con's).

• To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
• To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
• To provide and maintain a Navy;
• To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
• To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

The President is the Commander-in-Chief three services of the armed forces (Army, Navy, Air Force) and the authorized militia (National Guards); within the limits set by law.

In so far as political debate goes, all (civil) debate on foreign policy, military intervention, and support for the armed forces is legitimate, in so far as it does not violate 18 U.S.C. § 115:

§ 2381. Treason
§ 2382. Misprision of treason
§ 2383. Rebellion or insurrection
§ 2384. Seditious conspiracy
§ 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
§ 2386. Registration of certain organizations
§ 2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally
§ 2388. Activities affecting armed forces during war
§ 2389. Recruiting for service against United States
§ 2390. Enlistment to serve against United States​

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason. Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason.

I'm not sure we've actually addressed these issues relative to the original post.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Non sequitur.

 

[rightwinger]

Our military needs to be flexible and fulfill its mission

right now, that mission is defender of the free world. There was a time we were the only ones who could fulfill that mission. Today the EU can do that mission in Europe and the Middle East while Japan and S Korea can do it in Asia

We need to stop being world policeman

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Non sequitur.

Ha! It immediately follows.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Why....what military force to you think we need to fight Islam?

Never a question of whether the force is available. It's a question of leadership and use of force.

We are currently lacking it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Non sequitur.

Ha! It immediately follows.

That your statement was a non sequitur to this argument? Of course.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Why....what military force to you think we need to fight Islam?

Never a question of whether the force is available. It's a question of leadership and use of force.

We are currently lacking it.

Prove it; otherwise, it is your ignorant opinion only.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Non sequitur.

Ha! It immediately follows.

That your statement was a non sequitur to this argument? Of course.

Ummm, do you know the meaning of "non sequitur'?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Why....what military force to you think we need to fight Islam?

Never a question of whether the force is available. It's a question of leadership and use of force.

We are currently lacking it.

Prove it; otherwise, it is your ignorant opinion only.

Current events, cause and effect.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Non sequitur.

Ha! It immediately follows.

That your statement was a non sequitur to this argument? Of course.

Ummm, do you know the meaning of "non sequitur'?

Of course. You don't.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are very fortunate the Kinettas are not in charge.

Sensible DOD spending is not treason.

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Why....what military force to you think we need to fight Islam?

Never a question of whether the force is available. It's a question of leadership and use of force.

We are currently lacking it.

Prove it; otherwise, it is your ignorant opinion only.

Current events, cause and effect.

Not at all. There has been no cause and effect, only your silly assertion.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Non sequitur.

Ha! It immediately follows.

That your statement was a non sequitur to this argument? Of course.

Ummm, do you know the meaning of "non sequitur'?

Of course. You don't.

I see. You simply threw it out there in a vain attempt to appear educated.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Well, the Islamists are certainly fortunate, both foreign and domestic.

Why....what military force to you think we need to fight Islam?

Never a question of whether the force is available. It's a question of leadership and use of force.

We are currently lacking it.

Prove it; otherwise, it is your ignorant opinion only.

Current events, cause and effect.

Not at all. There has been no cause and effect, only your silly assertion.

Too funny. All things have cause and effect.

 

[RoccoR]

rightwinger, et al,

I agree to a point that the US Armed Forces must be flexible to fulfill its mission roles. Having said that, you are confused as to the mission roles.

It is not the Mission of the US Armed Forces to be the "defender of the free world." No sovereign world organization has asked for that! That was a role that US Leadership assumed on its own and have place our nation at jeopardy at times. No Nation in the world contributes to the research and development to the US Armed Forces that is necessary to maintain the qualitative edge that gives America a decisive advantage in battle. No other nation in the world freely provides the US Armed Forces any foreign military aid to the US in a quantitatively fashion that permits America that dominations on the battlefield, control of the skies and superiority at sea; we pay for everything we get either monetarily or politically.

Our military needs to be flexible and fulfill its mission

right now, that mission is defender of the free world. There was a time we were the only ones who could fulfill that mission. Today the EU can do that mission in Europe and the Middle East while Japan and S Korea can do it in Asia

We need to stop being world policeman

(REFERENCEs)

Form the Official Web Sites:

Mission of the US Army: Regardless of component, The Army conducts both operational and institutional missions. The operational Army consists of numbered armies, corps, divisions, brigades, and battalions that conduct full spectrum operations around the world. (Operational Unit Diagram and descriptions) The institutional Army supports the operational Army. Institutional organizations provide the infrastructure necessary to raise, train, equip, deploy, and ensure the readiness of all Army forces. The training base provides military skills and professional education to every Soldier—as well as members of sister services and allied forces. It also allows The Army to expand rapidly in time of war. The industrial base provides world-class equipment and logistics for The Army. Army installations provide the power-projection platforms required to deploy land forces promptly to support combatant commanders. Once those forces are deployed, the institutional Army provides the logistics needed to support them.

Mission of the US Navy: The mission of the Navy is to maintain, train and equip combat-ready Naval forces capable of winning wars, deterring aggression and maintaining freedom of the seas.

Mission of the US Air Force: "The Air Force will continue to perform these missions so that our military can respond quickly and appropriately to unpredictable threats and challenges. Today, we call our core missions:

(1) air and space superiority;
(2)intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR);
(3) rapid global mobility;
(4) global strike; and
(5) command and control."
​

(COMMENT)

The appearance that the US is the "defender of the free world" comes from a political illusion wherein America jealously guards its Freedom of Navigation [(FON)(on the ground, in the air, and at sea)] a principle that protects American foreign commerce from the dominance of other nations; that America will not suffer interference from other states in the success of it commercial, industrial and monetary endeavors.

I agree that the US should not be the "world police." And I also agree that America should not extend or otherwise promote the idea that it is the "defender of the free world." Having said that, one must consider that the critical freedoms that have made America the second largest economy in the world must not be left in the hands of nations that have not proven themselves capable.

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It must also be understood that the American Economy is not necessarily the best economy or the freest economy.

"The United States’ economic freedom score is 76.2, making its economy the 12th freest in the 2015 Index. Its score is 0.7 point higher than last year, with modest gains in six of the 10 economic freedoms, including control of government spending, outweighing a slight decline in business freedom.

Although the precipitous downward spiral in U.S. economic freedom since 2008 has come to a halt in the 2015 Index, a 1.6-point decline in overall economic freedom over the past five years reflects broad-based deteriorations in key policy areas, particularly those related to upholding the rule of law and limited government. Continuing to trail such comparable economies as Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, and Canada, America has been ranked “mostly free” since 2010."​

Just as the leadership in Washington has failed the American People consistently over the last half century on the political-diplomatic-military front, so has it failed to reinvest in America in terms of education, scientific endeavors, research and development, commercially, industrially and maintaining the critical infrastructure (thus the reason for the drop from being #1 economy).

If the US wants to influence the world, first it has to be the best nation in the world, and the Washington Leadership has not yet transitioned from 20th Century thinking into a nation on the leading edge of the 21st Century.

Just my thought and perspective ---
Most Respectfully,
R

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why....what military force to you think we need to fight Islam?

Never a question of whether the force is available. It's a question of leadership and use of force.

We are currently lacking it.

Prove it; otherwise, it is your ignorant opinion only.

Current events, cause and effect.

Not at all. There has been no cause and effect, only your silly assertion.

Too funny. All things have cause and effect.

And that is why you have failed. Your non sequitur is based on your perceived yet non-existent cause and effect of . . . what? Nothing has happened.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Never a question of whether the force is available. It's a question of leadership and use of force.

We are currently lacking it.

Prove it; otherwise, it is your ignorant opinion only.

Current events, cause and effect.

Not at all. There has been no cause and effect, only your silly assertion.

Too funny. All things have cause and effect.

And that is why you have failed. Your non sequitur is based on a non-existent cause and effect. Nothing has happened.

Then why is Iran celebrating?