Is it the Law to which men are bound?

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    Would you turn your 3-year-old daughter into a corrupt police force which hired only serial rapists and murderers if the Law said everyone with her hair colour was to be turned in for elimination?

    Would you turn in Anne Frank?

    Would you turn in an escaped slave?

    All because the Law said you must?


    Or are you bound to something other, something greater than the Law?
     
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    The law itself, ironically, may not recognize our natural right to object to an unjust law which does entail civil disobedience to an immoral law, but answering to a higher authority is as American as apple pie.
     
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    So liability is bound to something higher than the Law and admits it can be wrong, while NYcaribeener has admitted in another thread that he'd turn his own children into the NAZIs because the Law said he was supposed to.

    What about everyone else?
     
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    I suspect you are distorting what NYcaribeener has said. May we have a link?

    I dun think the answer is a simple yes or no. Hopefully, we all feel we can submit to the social contract that binds us together. Obviously, there are times when we do not or can not.....but those should be rare.
     
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    No, I'd dye her hair

    Nope

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    Yep
     
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    nobody can answer this question seriously. when your life depends on it, you´ll do things you can´t imagine today. Anne Frank wasn´t traited by a fanatic nazi but from a fearish neighbour.
     
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    Would you turn in your daughter?

    That's an easy question.

    Try facing what people living under the HAZI regime faced.

    Would you help your neighbors if it meant you and your family's death if you were caught?

    Now THAT is, I think, one of those questions that most people do not want to think about.

    Nevertheless that is what most of Europe had to, at one time, decide.
     
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    I'm not bound by the Law and I'm not bound by God.
     
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    So as to be clear:

    If the law is not immoral, then I am bound by it even if I don't care for it.


    But I have no qualms in saying that there are some things that are plainly immoral, regardless of anything the law might say or claim to require.

    Thus, if the law said I was forbidden from harboring a Jew in my home if the Nazis wanted to round up the Jews for more extermination, that law would be immoral and I would disregard it.

    If the law required me to turn in my own daughter for some "offense," I would contemplate it. It depends. If it's "turning her in" for treatment due to a drug addiction, that might be perfectly moral. On the other hand, if it's turning her in for harboring some religious belief which had been banned, I would again flatly reject such a law as immoral, wrong and stupid and I would absolutely defy that law.

    I am not very religious, myself. So the higher authority might not be "God." But I believe most of us recognize when something is morally wrong all the same.

    Defying an immoral and unjust law is ok by me. Complying with an immoral and unjust law, by contrast, while it constitutes obedience to the law, is morally offensive and may be unjustifiable.
     
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    Excellent post. In the end, I believe we will not be judged for our countries choices, we will for our own.

    The reason for beliefs is that we (humans) think morals matter. Morals do not birth from the books. The books birth because of the instilled understanding of right and wrong. Cultures can change the interpretations and create exceptions, but even then, those who go beyond their morals, often pay a human price for it.

    I believe we pay a human and other-world price and that deep inside every one of us, and aside from religious studies, is the inner knowledge of right and wrong, so this inner knowledge transcends religion. I believe it to be spiritual in nature, not religious in nature.

    The baser negative emotions shut this knowledge away.
     

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