Is it OK to hate Israel based on what American Jews, among others, have done to America?

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    "...A large body of people united by common descent, descent decency, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory..."

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    yeah sure....inhabiting a particular terrortory. i'm all for that....does that include: white, italian people wanting to "have their own territory too..?" it's OK, right ? and what about israel....why can't they have their own joint ?
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    we should just all live with who we like to live with...as we see how "WE" are - it's for the best.

    i'm still not following YOU though about: why can't I live with.....who i want to live with/near and it's ok for:
    [​IMG] muslims, puerto ricans, russians/ukranians/polish, chinese, blacks, mexicans/ETC.....to have their own areas......?
     
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    Sure they can.

    But the same "rules" apply to the jewish people:

    Jewish nationalism is kosher.

    Jewish supremacism is not.
     
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    People ask why on Earth the overwhelmingly white Congress and Johnson allowed the immigration changes to occur.

    These 2 quotes from Kennedy and Johnson clearly show they never really understood what the hell they were voting and signing.

    Each and every word and prediction uttered by Kennedy and Johson turned out to be proven wrong by History (the red, bold parts are so absurdly off the mark that they would be hillarious today if they weren't tragic):

    Our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same. Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset. Contrary to the charges in some quarters, S.500 will not inundate America with immigrants from any other country or area, or the most population and economically deprived nations of Africa and Asia.

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    Edward Kenndy, chairman of the subcommittee that conducted the hearing on the Immigration Act of 1965
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    This bill that we will sign today is not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions. It will not reshape the structure of our daily lives, or really add importantly to either our wealth or our power.

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    Lyndon Johnson signing the death sentence of America as part of the Western Civilization
     
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    Now you may ask:

    How can a bill fool dozens of representatives, senators and a president of the United States?

    The best answer was given by an american politician talking about a more recent immigration bill:

    "I have every reason to distrust an 800-page document, written in obscure language, full of technical jargon, that few people read and even fewer managed to understand."

     
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    Indeependent was trying to ridicule the OP when he made this joke:

    I’m proud that one Jew can manipulate 7 billion non-Jews.
    We Jews are way kewl!

    But sometimes a joke intended to mock something ends up hitting the nail on the head and proving the entire point that was made.

    The US politicians who voted for the 65 Act were in fact "manipulated" by the authors of that law in the sense that they never really understood the long-term consequences of the law they were approving as the quotes above prove beyond doubt.

    And I'm not making up excuses for them.

    The entire job of representatives and senators is decipher abstract, complicated, arcane bills in order to identify any potential harm to the nation hidden in the text of the law.

    The president has a similar duty to identify any harmful bill.

    They all failed miserably.
     
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    [​IMG] "...They all failed miserably"

    take kirsten gillibrand. [​IMG] she is the perfect example of a white vomitus politician.

    ok. "kirsten." [​IMG] "ice should be abolished."


    ....we need to concentrate more on 7th century, cave people with weapons of mass destruction. and israel, they have to deal with terrorists all the time - not the palestinian theatre group folk - the terrorist government.

    please - [​IMG] give them their OWN state already. let them man their own electrical grid and their own ...libraries, post offices and airport ! [​IMG] imagine the palestinians having their own airport and portways without any supervision ? i wonder how that would play out...


    i feel sorry for them [the ones who didn't vote for terrorists]. it's terrible that they have
    [​IMG] bonifide terrroists as their Government.
     
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    The difference is these lands you're listing are largely those whom have ethnic majority nations, rather than coming in as a bunch of recent immigrants who displaced the previous inhabitants.
     
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    I plead guilty of sidetracking my own thread.

    This is not the place to debate the destruction of America's ethno-racial composition in and of itself.

    This is the topic of the thread:

    "Is the heavy jewish american involvement in the process of destruction of the US racial makeup a legitimate reason to hate Israel?"

    My answer is definitely no.

    Stop and think for a moment:

    What does the jewish american congressman Emanuel Celler's lifelong crusade to allow mass non-white immigration into the US have to do with the right of Israel to exist?

    Absolutely nothing.

    The only remote link you can possibly find between the two is the fact that both Israel and mass non-white immigration into America after WWII are attempts made by Jews in conjunction with white elites to create a safer world for Jews to live in.

    The creation of the state of Israel was an attempt made by european Jews to create a jewish safe haven where Jews could be an ethnic majority and where the diaspora could run to in case of racial/ethnic strife in their home countries.

    The destruction of America's racial composition that began just after WWII was an attempt made by american Jews to create a United States where the emergence of white supremacism, of anti-semitism like the one in Nazi Germany would be impossible due to the "diverse" ethnic origin of the population.

    This is the only commonality that exists between the two. Other than that, these are two completely separated, unrelated historical events.

    The two historical processes are so unrelated to each other that the termination of one of them would not cause the demise of the other:

    The peaceful dismantlement of the state of Israel would not cause the end of the erosion of America's white majority and the end of the destruction of the US demography would not cause the dismantlement of the state of Israel.

    So I firmly believe people like Joyce, Odium and Sobieski should not let their hard feelings towards the american jewish community's involvement in this national tragedy to influence their views on the state of Israel.

    These are some of the questions I asked myself when I judged the legitimacy of the state of Israel years ago:

    Did Israel's founders have any right to consider themselves natives of the land who have the historical right to create a state?

    Was the state of Israel created according to the wishes of the indigenous population?

    Did the creation of the state of Israel trespass on any right of the native population?


    There are many other legitimate questions you can ask yourself when you decide to take a position on this issue and NONE OF THEM are even remotely related to America's racial composition, jewish political activism to change that composition, to Emanuel Celler's 50 year struggle to turn America into a white minority country, etc, etc...

    Condemning Israel because of jewish american political activism is a clear-cut case of barking up the wrong tree, a clear-cut case of misdirected anger/resentment.
     
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    [​IMG] "This is not the place to debate the destruction of America's ethno-racial composition in and of itself. This is the topic of the thread:" 'Is the heavy jewish american involvement in the process of destruction of the US racial makeup a legitimate reason to hate Israel?"'

    [​IMG] no...terrorists are MUCH more loathsome...

    they win! [​IMG]
     
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    You wish, my Bensonhurst Jewish Princess...

    The white majority is one of the fundamental pillars of the United States, no matter how many times the post-WWII multiracialist madness tries to deny it.

    1000 american skyscrappers are not worth the racial composition of the nation.
     

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