Is it fair to blame junk food companies for people being overweight?

[Esmeralda]

nice- thx Pogo. I'll have to get a good list of healthy foods and get some at the store asap. I have gastritis and a hiatal hernia so gassy beans are a no-no atm. I'm on 2 40 mg of Nexium a day (for years)- I know; very bad... Gotta make sure I get a lot of magnesium and calcium, as Nexium is notorious for fractured bones. I just gotta lose weight. Surgery is an absolute last resort.

Yike.
I popped Nexium for a short time before I had a proper diagnosis (which was ulcers). Once that got fixed I had no more issues. Very complex the body is.

How complex you ask? One night while I was suffering the ulcers, before I knew what they were, they were really really bad, I was on the verge of driving myself to ER -- and I noticed a grapefruit on the counter. Something told me to eat it. Conventional wisdom would say that's a bad idea, right? All that acid?

I bit into the grapefruit and .... instant relief. So well did it work that I started carrying around a grapefruit at all times.

Yogurt oughta be good for calcium/magnesium, or dairy in general. I like rice pudding myself, which I mix with Nature's Path Hemp granola and fruit (raspberries, strawberries, blueberries work well). It's unspeakably delicious. Can you have nuts? That oughta be good too.

actually I'm not surprised. They say ACV (apple cider vinager is the best for stomach issues). The organic with the Mother one. I have had that ACV off and on for years, but it doesn't help much. I even might set up an appt. 4 hrs away to see a specialist who pulls the hernia back down. It's $150 a pop though (plus gas and time off of work). Yep, Kefir yogurt is my fav.

Take a teaspoon of flax seed everyday and drink lots of water.

 

[ClosedCaption]

But it doesn't matter, it's all an excuse. What do good excuses and bad excuses have in common? They are both excuses.

Just because bad food is cheap doesn't make people buy it. They still have to put it in the cart and then check out and then bring it home and put it in the pantry.

No its a semantics game. In order to avoid talking about the real issues with the food supply and availability in the US. You rather call everything dealing with that topic as an excuse to attempt to avoid it. Well just because you dont want to address it doesnt mean its not part of the problem.

Everything is an excuse to someone who doesnt want to see it as even POSSIBLY, PROBABLY any other factor.

But everything isnt black and white just because you say it is

 

[airplanemechanic]

What other factor is there besides how much you put in vs. how much you burn out?

All other factors are excuses. Period.

Had the OP titled it "can we blame junk food manufacturers for how unhealthy their food is?" Then maybe. But you can eat 1500 calories of junk food, or 1500 calories of salad and it doesn't matter to your body's weight. You may not be getting the same number of nutrients with the junk food, but nutrients don't equal weight.

Sorry, I've been overweight so I know. I also exercised and watched what I ate and amazingly I lost weight. People who have no self control and blame everyone else for their fat ass have no respect from me. I blamed nobody but myself and I got down to business and got the weight off.

 

[ClosedCaption]

What other factor is there besides how much you put in vs. how much you burn out?

All other factors are excuses. Period.

Thanks for proving my point. Tell me has anyone said anything the opposite of its what you put in vs what you put out?

Because so far I've seen no one disagree yet you keep beating that dead horse and are either incapable or unwilling to discuss any other factors besides people themselves. Read the avatar

 

[airplanemechanic]

Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

The lady I work with is overweight. I've seen her, she eats hot dogs, hamburgers, full meals just for lunch. For lunch I eat a sandwich. I take in far fewer calories than her at each meal AND I work out every day for hour, she doesn't work out at all.

The proof is in the pudding.

 

[peach174]

It is not just junk food.
It is also the Processed food and Canned food.
Almost everything we buy has salt or some form of sugar in it.
It is causing us all to have health problems whether you are fat or not fat.

 

[Pogo]

nice- thx Pogo. I'll have to get a good list of healthy foods and get some at the store asap. I have gastritis and a hiatal hernia so gassy beans are a no-no atm. I'm on 2 40 mg of Nexium a day (for years)- I know; very bad... Gotta make sure I get a lot of magnesium and calcium, as Nexium is notorious for fractured bones. I just gotta lose weight. Surgery is an absolute last resort.

Yike.
I popped Nexium for a short time before I had a proper diagnosis (which was ulcers). Once that got fixed I had no more issues. Very complex the body is.

How complex you ask? One night while I was suffering the ulcers, before I knew what they were, they were really really bad, I was on the verge of driving myself to ER -- and I noticed a grapefruit on the counter. Something told me to eat it. Conventional wisdom would say that's a bad idea, right? All that acid?

I bit into the grapefruit and .... instant relief. So well did it work that I started carrying around a grapefruit at all times.

Yogurt oughta be good for calcium/magnesium, or dairy in general. I like rice pudding myself, which I mix with Nature's Path Hemp granola and fruit (raspberries, strawberries, blueberries work well). It's unspeakably delicious. Can you have nuts? That oughta be good too.

actually I'm not surprised. They say ACV (apple cider vinager is the best for stomach issues). The organic with the Mother one. I have had that ACV off and on for years, but it doesn't help much. I even might set up an appt. 4 hrs away to see a specialist who pulls the hernia back down. It's $150 a pop though (plus gas and time off of work). Yep, Kefir yogurt is my fav.

I hear all kinds of good things about ACV. My doctor first mentioned it as a help for arthritis. I've got some here (at this point for reducing cholesterol) but can't quite find enough uses to ingest it every day. I do apply it to any salad I make, that's about it.

 

[Pogo]

Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

The lady I work with is overweight. I've seen her, she eats hot dogs, hamburgers, full meals just for lunch. For lunch I eat a sandwich. I take in far fewer calories than her at each meal AND I work out every day for hour, she doesn't work out at all.

The proof is in the pudding.

On the other hand you are afflicted with rigid black-and-white thinking. Not sure there's a dietary plan for that.

 

[airplanemechanic]

It is not just junk food.
It is also the Processed food and Canned food.
Almost everything we buy has salt or some form of sugar in it.
It is causing us all to have health problems whether you are fat or not fat.

Processed food is junk food. Processed foods like cereals are high in sugar. Any idiot that can tie their shoe should know that. Whole grain vs the alternative. You have to read up.

Sugar isn't bad for you, your body breaks down food into sugar. It's how much you eat, not so much what. Salt isn't good for you, but if you monitor what you eat you shouldn't have any issues. Stay away from what makes fat people fat, fast food, and you can avoid sugars, salts, fats and empty calories.

Funny how fresh veggies are still fresh at the supermarket. You seem to ignore those. I buy bags and bags of fresh spinach to eat in salads. Like 20 calories in the entire bag and like 1mg of sodium. Never had an issue with it.

There are labels on food. If you dont like the sugar or salt content, don't buy it. How simple, right? I mean the gov't mandates labels so fat people can know what they are eating. Why not read?

What idiot complains that unhealthy food is unhealthy? Duh. A hamburger has never been a real good healthy food choice. Wasn't 50 years ago, isn't now. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. If you don't agree with what's in it, don't eat it!

 

[Pogo]

... QED.

 

[Asclepias]

It is not just junk food.
It is also the Processed food and Canned food.
Almost everything we buy has salt or some form of sugar in it.
It is causing us all to have health problems whether you are fat or not fat.

Sugar isn't bad for you, your body breaks down food into sugar. It's how much you eat, not so much what. Salt isn't good for you, but if you monitor what you eat you shouldn't have any issues. Stay away from what makes fat people fat, fast food, and you can avoid sugars, salts, fats and empty calories.

Funny how fresh veggies are still fresh at the supermarket. You seem to ignore those. I buy bags and bags of fresh spinach to eat in salads. Like 20 calories in the entire bag and like 1mg of sodium. Never had an issue with it.

There are labels on food. If you dont like the sugar or salt content, don't buy it. How simple, right? I mean the gov't mandates labels so fat people can know what they are eating. Why not read?

What idiot complains that unhealthy food is unhealthy? Duh. A hamburger has never been a real good healthy food choice. Wasn't 50 years ago, isn't now. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. If you don't agree with what's in it, don't eat it!

Too much sugar is bad for you. Processed foods contain high amounts of easily broken down carbs which convert to sugar. This is why the diabetes problem is out of control here in the US. Fresh veggies and fruit have pesticides and you have no idea if they are safe for you as some are genetically engineered.curiously by some of the same companies that make the pesticides if I am correct. Basically the only veggies/fruit you can be sure are safe are the ones you grow yourself.

Yes there are labels on the food but most dont read it unless they are aware of the dangers of eating too much of ingredient X. One thing in particular which caught my attention was the ingredients in supposedly low sugar products for people with diabetes. They are not being honest when they load those products up with carbs and sugar alchols then claim no sugar.

 

[airplanemechanic]

If you have a problem with labeling you need to talk to the manufacturer.

 

[Asclepias]

If you have a problem with labeling you need to talk to the manufacturer.

I have sent them letters and its not a violation of any rule or law to deceive people in this way. Thats beside the point though. The masses of people dont even know this stuff and consume things that are supposedly healthy. You keep trying to place all the blame on people and protecting the companies when they do this stuff on purpose.

 

[Pogo]

If you have a problem with labeling you need to talk to the manufacturer.

That's what this thread is doing.

Duh.

 

[airplanemechanic]

US message board manufactures food? I didn't know that.

 

[ninja007]

It is not just junk food.
It is also the Processed food and Canned food.
Almost everything we buy has salt or some form of sugar in it.
It is causing us all to have health problems whether you are fat or not fat.

Sugar isn't bad for you, your body breaks down food into sugar. It's how much you eat, not so much what. Salt isn't good for you, but if you monitor what you eat you shouldn't have any issues. Stay away from what makes fat people fat, fast food, and you can avoid sugars, salts, fats and empty calories.

Funny how fresh veggies are still fresh at the supermarket. You seem to ignore those. I buy bags and bags of fresh spinach to eat in salads. Like 20 calories in the entire bag and like 1mg of sodium. Never had an issue with it.

There are labels on food. If you dont like the sugar or salt content, don't buy it. How simple, right? I mean the gov't mandates labels so fat people can know what they are eating. Why not read?

What idiot complains that unhealthy food is unhealthy? Duh. A hamburger has never been a real good healthy food choice. Wasn't 50 years ago, isn't now. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. If you don't agree with what's in it, don't eat it!

Too much sugar is bad for you. Processed foods contain high amounts of easily broken down carbs which convert to sugar. This is why the diabetes problem is out of control here in the US. Fresh veggies and fruit have pesticides and you have no idea if they are safe for you as some are genetically engineered.curiously by some of the same companies that make the pesticides if I am correct. Basically the only veggies/fruit you can be sure are safe are the ones you grow yourself.

Yes there are labels on the food but most dont read it unless they are aware of the dangers of eating too much of ingredient X. One thing in particular which caught my attention was the ingredients in supposedly low sugar products for people with diabetes. They are not being honest when they load those products up with carbs and sugar alchols then claim no sugar.

we agree here. I have heard sugar is resp. for roughly 75%? of all diseases?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Too much sugar, but just "sugar", no. Your body breaks down everything you eat into glucuse and fructose. These are both sugars.

 

[Conservative65]

Observe what Fat people eat then don't eat that. Don't go where the Buffalos roam (and graze): Country Buffet, Fast Food Joints, etc.

Fat Person: "I don't eat much. It's Genetic."
Not Fat Person: "Oh so your body changes Oxygen into Fat?"

There are people with screwed up thyroids.

And then are those without any medical condition whatsoever than simply want to blame someone else for what is their fault.

 

[Conservative65]

They eat the crap at McDonald's because that's what they can afford.

Right after buying their beer and cigarettes with money they say they don't have to buy food.

 

[Conservative65]

We should not allow fellow human beings to go hungry

When people don't do it voluntarily to the level you think they should, you believe it's OK to forced us to.