Iraq: The War Is Not Over In Country's South

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    Iraq: The War Is Not Over In Country's South

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    High_Gravity, Mr. H, et al,

    Well, that is not exactly it.

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    US foreign policy is a very complicated issue. But at at the heart of it, there is something we can all understand. What chances the USG takes are not motivated by the benevolence of America. We take the initiative because it serves some higher US purpose (political, economic, militarily, etc). The micro-Thumbnail looks like this.

    • In the case of Iraq, the US wanted to establish a military outpost in the middle of the region. The initial thought was, that with the Congressional AUMF, if a terrorist link/threat is established over Iraq, the US could move in and "liberate" the country. And the liberated nation, in thanks to the US, would align itself with the US and allow the establishment of one (or more) military bases that could be used in a hegemonic fashion, to influence the Regional nations that have resisted US influence. What went un-computed is that the Iraqis would open-up an insurgency and eventually become a cascade failure that would pressure the US military component to leave. The US strategy never foresaw the possibility that Iran would become the dominant influence.

    The Iraqi Government, under the administration of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, is in bed with the Iranians and under siege from the insurgency. They are intentionally trying to drive the USG out of Iraq; with emphasis on military forces. They are appease the Iranians that made it possible to for al-Maliki to hold onto the government. They are making the particulars of the SOFA Agreement beyond the acceptable parameters for the USG. Both internal elements of the nation and the Iranians want the US Forces removed. And that is about to be accomplished. They are doing it this way because it is face saving towards the US. The Iraqi Government doesn't want to ask the US to leave, so they make the conditions to stay "unacceptable."

    We are being asked to leave (kicked-out).

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    Time to go.
     
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    Rocco I have read several articles about the US leaving behind a token force in Iraq around 10,000 strong for rebuilding and training the Iraqi Military, I posted several threads about this on the Iraq board. I am against that because in a country the size of Iraq 10,000 troops won't cut the mustard and will be in huge danger of attacks from insurgent groups, if the Iraqis want us to leave I say fine, I think things in Iraq are pretty much as good as they are going to get, the rest of this work is on the Iraqis shoulders.
     
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    Oh definently, time to bring our boys home and serve them cold pitchers of beer, the job is done.
     
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    High_Gravity, et al,

    Yes, I read (I think) all of them.

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    However, with the Iraqis, such a thing is "never" a sure thing. As much as it makes sense from a USG perspective, the fact of the matter is, their are powers within Iraq that really don't want us there.


    I suspect that the USG will keep about 200 (or so) active military (not counting the Marine Security Guard) in official status within the DOS (Embassy) contingent.

    Without regard to the "spin" that political truth-sayers and administration officials will place on this, the objective judgement should be based on the National Strategy for Victory in Iraq; look at the prediction and definitions against the actual outcomes.


    Well after, the Dead, the Wounded and the Treasure spent, to further this cause into Iraq (those lovable and very worthy people), where are we in terms of "victory;" as defined by Washington.

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    They didn't invite you despite your fabricated lies which led to war and your inflated rhetoric of Iraqis awaiting the US with flowers. What happened was a classical occupation and the aggressor being the USA. Off course they're going "to ask you to leave".
    They surely won't build memorial shrines for the fallen US soldiers there who died for nothing.
     
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    Go fuck yourself ekrem.
     

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