Instead of background checks to buy a gun....

Why don't we just have background checks to commit a crime? I mean, the criminals are really the problem, right? Let's just require people to submit to a background check before they commit crimes, that way we can track them. Makes sense, right?

There's a rubber room for threads like this.

If you don't think a convicted pedophile should be barred from getting a job at a daycare center, or as your child's teacher,

if you don't think someone with multiple drunk driving convictions should prevented from getting a job as a school bus driver,

then you probably don't think that anyone convicted of a gun crime should be denied a gun permit, or a gun purchase,

because background checks are how we determine what those people's records are.

stupid, those a jobs people WORK IN
buying a gun for hunting or protection isn't the damn same..but you brown shirts won't be happy until you infringe on law abiding people rights except when it comes to abortions

Someone who buys a gun for hunting or protection is protected when others are vetted before owning or possessing a gun. A gun is no guarantee of safety, police officers and well armed soldiers die too often from small arms fire.
 
There's a rubber room for threads like this.

If you don't think a convicted pedophile should be barred from getting a job at a daycare center, or as your child's teacher,

if you don't think someone with multiple drunk driving convictions should prevented from getting a job as a school bus driver,

then you probably don't think that anyone convicted of a gun crime should be denied a gun permit, or a gun purchase,

because background checks are how we determine what those people's records are.

stupid, those a jobs people WORK IN
buying a gun for hunting or protection isn't the damn same..but you brown shirts won't be happy until you infringe on law abiding people rights except when it comes to abortions

Someone who buys a gun for hunting or protection is protected when others are vetted before owning or possessing a gun. A gun is no guarantee of safety, police officers and well armed soldiers die too often from small arms fire.

And background checks haven't prevented people from working in jobs that he listed, as we have seen time and again..
 
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So tell me is there a chance that someone will break into my home intent of doing me or my wife harm?

Is there a chance my business will be robbed by someone who will put my employees in danger and also threaten my ability to provide for my family?

Until you can say there is absolutely zero chance of that happening I will keep a weapon

Besides being killed accidentally by a firearm isn't even in the top 5 leading causes of accidental death in the US

Why don't you worry about those before you try to confiscate weapons?

Oh, sure, there's always a chance someone will break into your home...

When you have 1% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth and making the rest of us fight over what is left, you are always going to have some poor, desperate hungry person ready to break into your home and business.

And you seem perfectly fine with that as long as you think you might get to prove your "manhood" and shoot them...

You don't need a gun. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.
 
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So tell me is there a chance that someone will break into my home intent of doing me or my wife harm?

Is there a chance my business will be robbed by someone who will put my employees in danger and also threaten my ability to provide for my family?

Until you can say there is absolutely zero chance of that happening I will keep a weapon

Besides being killed accidentally by a firearm isn't even in the top 5 leading causes of accidental death in the US

Why don't you worry about those before you try to confiscate weapons?

Oh, sure, there's always a chance someone will break into your home...

When you have 1% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth and making the rest of us fight over what is left, you are always going to have some poor, desperate hungry person ready to break into your home and business.

And you seem perfectly fine with that as long as you think you might get to prove your "manhood" and shoot them...

You don't need a gun. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.

I have never pointed a weapon at anyone and I have no desire to shoot anyone. If you knew anything about human nature you would realize that I am exactly type type of person who should be able to own a weapon.

According to idiots like you the cause of crime is me earning more than those that would harm me to take what's mine.

And that's not my fault now is it?
 
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I have never pointed a weapon at anyone and I have no desire to shoot anyone. If you knew anything about human nature you would realize that I am exactly type type of person who should be able to own a weapon.

According to idiots like you the cause of crime is me earning more than those that would harm me to take what's mine.

And that's not my fault now is it?

Well, yeah, it kind of is...

That you see your fellow human starving or desperate, and your response is, "let him starve", you shouldn't be suprised when he turns on you.

Of course, we have 300 million guns and 2 million prisoners, more than any country in the world, and we still have the highest crime rates in the industrialized world and you are ooooh, so fine with that.

Just as long as we aren't a bunch of fucking socialists, eh?
 
When you have 1% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth and making the rest of us fight over what is left, you are always going to have some poor, desperate hungry person ready to break into your home and business.

You don't need a gun. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.

Why yes of course, its those rich people's fault that people commit violent crimes.
 
When you have 1% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth and making the rest of us fight over what is left, you are always going to have some poor, desperate hungry person ready to break into your home and business.

You don't need a gun. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.

Why yes of course, its those rich people's fault that people commit violent crimes.

So you don't think wealth disparity is a cause of crime?

Then why does America's crime rate look more like a third world country than an industrialized one?
 
You don't need a gun. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.

You don't need gun control. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.

I am.

I'm for economic reform.

I'm also against ending easy access to guns.

Both are causes of crime... and I want to fix both.

I'm getting more and more the feeling that you are just giving up.
 
What, nobody wants to help prevent violent crimes?

You own a gun. How many violent crimes have you prevented?

I own a bunch of guns and have prevented a whole lot of violent crimes.

Every time a person get's a CWP, they prevent a violent crime. Every time a person makes it know that they are armed, they prevent a violent crime, every time a home or a business has a sign warning people that they are armed, they prevent a violent crime. The reason you don't hear about it is that when something doesn't happen, it isn't publicised.
 
When you have 1% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth and making the rest of us fight over what is left, you are always going to have some poor, desperate hungry person ready to break into your home and business.

You don't need a gun. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.

Why yes of course, its those rich people's fault that people commit violent crimes.

So you don't think wealth disparity is a cause of crime?

Then why does America's crime rate look more like a third world country than an industrialized one?

No fear of repercussions.

Lack of self-accountability.

Lack of two parent engaged families.

The attitude you can do anything as long as it feels good.
 
You don't need a gun. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.

You don't need gun control. If you are afraid of criminals- address the causes of crime.

I am.

I'm for economic reform.

I'm also against ending easy access to guns.

Both are causes of crime... and I want to fix both.

I'm getting more and more the feeling that you are just giving up.

I'm for education reform because there are too many ignorant people such as yourself, running around voting and screwing up this country.
 
Why yes of course, its those rich people's fault that people commit violent crimes.

So you don't think wealth disparity is a cause of crime?

Then why does America's crime rate look more like a third world country than an industrialized one?

No fear of repercussions.

Lack of self-accountability.

Lack of two parent engaged families.

The attitude you can do anything as long as it feels good.

Then by that logic, the vastly more permissive societies of Europe should have higher crime rates than we do.

They don't.

We lock up 2 million people and Germany only locks up 78,000.

It would strike me that if fear of reprecussions and lack of accountability were the issue, Germany would be overrun with crime.

Yet last year, they had 258 gun murders compared to our 11,000.

Oh, would this be a good time to point out that Germany has severely restricted private gun ownership since the end of WWII? When that commie, socialist Ike went around and took all their guns?
 
So you don't think wealth disparity is a cause of crime?

Then why does America's crime rate look more like a third world country than an industrialized one?

No fear of repercussions.

Lack of self-accountability.

Lack of two parent engaged families.

The attitude you can do anything as long as it feels good.

Then by that logic, the vastly more permissive societies of Europe should have higher crime rates than we do.

They don't.

We lock up 2 million people and Germany only locks up 78,000.

It would strike me that if fear of reprecussions and lack of accountability were the issue, Germany would be overrun with crime.

Yet last year, they had 258 gun murders compared to our 11,000.

Germany has about 225,000,000 less people that we have and can't own guns
 
No fear of repercussions.

Lack of self-accountability.

Lack of two parent engaged families.

The attitude you can do anything as long as it feels good.

Then by that logic, the vastly more permissive societies of Europe should have higher crime rates than we do.

They don't.

We lock up 2 million people and Germany only locks up 78,000.

It would strike me that if fear of reprecussions and lack of accountability were the issue, Germany would be overrun with crime.

Yet last year, they had 258 gun murders compared to our 11,000.

Germany has about 225,000,000 less people that we have and can't own guns

Well do the math, idiot. Their population is less than 4 times ours and the UK is around 5 times. Compared to the UK, Germany has a high rate and it's probably because of unification with East Germany. Those people were stressed for a long period of time. I think drugs is also becoming a factor in Europe.

The writing is on the wall that America has big time problems. Why try to deny it?
 
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No fear of repercussions.

Lack of self-accountability.

Lack of two parent engaged families.

The attitude you can do anything as long as it feels good.

Then by that logic, the vastly more permissive societies of Europe should have higher crime rates than we do.

They don't.

We lock up 2 million people and Germany only locks up 78,000.

It would strike me that if fear of reprecussions and lack of accountability were the issue, Germany would be overrun with crime.

Yet last year, they had 258 gun murders compared to our 11,000.

Germany has about 225,000,000 less people that we have and can't own guns

So even taking that into account, they should still lock up half a million people and have 4000 gun murders a year.

And they don't.

Math isn't your strong point, is it?
 
Then by that logic, the vastly more permissive societies of Europe should have higher crime rates than we do.

They don't.

We lock up 2 million people and Germany only locks up 78,000.

It would strike me that if fear of reprecussions and lack of accountability were the issue, Germany would be overrun with crime.

Yet last year, they had 258 gun murders compared to our 11,000.

Germany has about 225,000,000 less people that we have and can't own guns

Well do the math, idiot. There population is less than 4 times ours and the UK is around 5 times. Compared to the UK, Germany has a high rate and it's probably because of unification with East Germany. Those people were stressed for a long period of time. I think drugs is also becoming a factor in Europe.

The writing is on the wall that America has big time problems. Why try to deny it?

8,583 gun homicides out of 400,000,000 guns in private ownership in 2011 doesn't rise to a big time problem.

The 8583 having dropped annually since 2007 with more guns in private hands.
 
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Germany has about 225,000,000 less people that we have and can't own guns

Well do the math, idiot. There population is less than 4 times ours and the UK is around 5 times. Compared to the UK, Germany has a high rate and it's probably because of unification with East Germany. Those people were stressed for a long period of time. I think drugs is also becoming a factor in Europe.

The writing is on the wall that America has big time problems. Why try to deny it?

8,583 gun homicides out of 400,000,000 guns in private ownership in 2011 doesn't rise to a big time problem.

The 8583 having dropped annually since 2007 with more guns in private hands.

Actually, there were 11,101 gun homicides in 2012....

that is down from the 12,971 in 2006, but not by much...

Guns in the United States: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law



Compared to the other six G-7 countries.

Italy- 246
Canada - 173
Germany - 158 (sorry, was wrong earlier.)
France - 134
United Kingdom - 18
Japan - 11
 
Then by that logic, the vastly more permissive societies of Europe should have higher crime rates than we do.

They don't.

We lock up 2 million people and Germany only locks up 78,000.

It would strike me that if fear of reprecussions and lack of accountability were the issue, Germany would be overrun with crime.

Yet last year, they had 258 gun murders compared to our 11,000.

Germany has about 225,000,000 less people that we have and can't own guns

So even taking that into account, they should still lock up half a million people and have 4000 gun murders a year.

And they don't.

Math isn't your strong point, is it?

In Germany, it would be less than a thousand homicides by gun. The 2010 population of Germany is 81,799,600 and the 2012 estimate for the United States is 315,214,000. In 2010, the US had about 310 million people or 3.79 times the population of Germany. After making a population adjustment that comes out to 978 homicides by gun for a Germany equal to our population. I don't know where you come up with your 11,000 figure, but the US had 8,874 homicides by total firearms in 2010 or 9.1 times the rate per person as Germany. Our per capita homicide by gun rate compared to the UK is around 35 times.

FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Differences of those magnitudes are a clear sign of a nation with problems. I would say even Germany has a problem, when they have 4 times the homicide by gun rate as the UK.
 

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