Diuretic
Permanently confused
I don't happen to believe that various clergy invented morality, either. My point is that even if you don't believe in God, Allah, the divine consciousness of the universe, or whatever, the point still works. The concept of human rights has to derive from a moral standard which says that THIS is right and THIS is wrong, contrary to our natural inclinations, and because it is contrary to our natural inclinations, it requires reference to something outside of ourselves.
The problem with saying, "But see, humans could come up with this because of our need to be collective and social" is that that doesn't require real morality, let alone observance of human rights. As I keep pointing out, there are other animals that also live and act collectively, and survive and get along quite well. When you get right down to it, more human societies have existed and functioned without those concerns than have done so with.
Okay - I think it's agree to disagree time. Anyway good discussion. I learned a few things which is always good.