I'm only asking if Americans believe these policies are good for the country.

Regan lowered taxes and that increased revenue
Clinton lowered taxes and that increased revenue
Bush lowered them more and that increased revenue

Do you see the pattern?

Are you trying and failing at making a joke?

Please READ this -

The Current ReaganBush Debt is:

$15,052,103,860,171.20


which means that in a total of 20 years,
these three presidents have led to the creation of



of the entire national debt
in only 8.4746% of the 236 years of the existence of the United States of America.

ReaganBushDebt.org

ReaganBushBush were fiscal DISASTERS and Mittens want to do EXACTLY as they did.

GET IT??
 
Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

Clearly didn't help and just added to the debt

That's the Christian Science Monitor, not Huffington or Politico.

Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans
they should have been investigated. BP is not an American company and should not be covered for.

Senior Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, with oversight over offshore drilling apologizes to BP!

after BP said it was going to take care of everyone, big0 grandstanded. How does it feel to have someone doing an apology tour for your Pres? OHH THE IRONY

The Official Guide to Legitimate Rape
Look up the odds of getting pregnant and you will actually learn what he said was right, crass, but right.
"It wasn't rape - rape." whoopi goldberg


GOP party platform sticks with "Akin Amendment", does not address rape exception - The Washington Post

Missouri Republican candidate calls to halt federal school lunch programHave you seen the shit they feed kids? Better to save money and bring your own

Republicans Block FEMA Funds For Disaster Relief
They blocked $7billion. What a great idea! When you are broke, stop spending!!

Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'oil subsidies' - CNN.comCry about this when you demand an end to green subsidies. Personally all of them should come to an end.

Republicans for cutting aid to poor instead of oil subsidies
Clearly this didn't go through, since more people are on the dole now that ever before. ahem You are putting more Americans on the dole and keeping them there, making the recovery take longer. AGAIN
Surrogates Admit Romney Will Cut Medicare Benefits For Current Seniors utter horse shit

Romney Calls for Fewer Firemen, Policemen, Teachers - NYTimes.com

I could go on and on. Science in education. Cutting Special Olympic funding. All kinds of things.

I know some Republicans will say, "But, but, but the Democrats this and the Democrats that" and come up with some weird accusation. The Democrats don't want anyone to work or the Democrats are all socialist.

But forget them for a minute. Look at Republican Policies. Are these the policies that represent the GOP? Well, we know they are so let me rephrase that. Why would these policies be good for the country? Defend them. Sell them to us so we can understand how they are good. That's all I ever asked.

comparing the Two parties, I will still vote gop, since the dems refuse to learn that spending your way out of debt is a bad idea.

fdr tried and failed, horribly
Japan tried it and failed
the EU tried and is going down in flames

So I don't know why the dems hate America so much that they will try, again, something they must know will fail.

FDR and the New Deal was extremely successful. Actually, the MOST successful in history.

Depression-GDP-output-1.gif


The Franklin D. Roosevelt administration created the LARGEST increase in GDP in American history.

real_gdp_growth.80133152_std.JPG


Top Five Years for GDP Expansion:

1942, +18.5%
1941, +17.1%
1943, +16.4%
1936, +13.0%
1934, +10.9%

Top Five Years for GDP Contraction:

1932, -13.1%
1946, -10.9%
1930, -8.6%
1931, -6.5%
2009, -3.5%

The utter failure was Hoover listening to Andrew Mellon and the liquidationist. The SAME policies Romney, Ryan and the Republicans are proposing.

What NEVER works is what Herbert Hoover and Andrew Mellon did to bring on the Great Depression...liquidate, and austerity. They listened to the predecessors of the 'Austrian' school. Unless you also believe Medieval blood letting save lives?

Economic Policy Under Hoover

Throughout this decline—which carried real GNP per worker down to a level 40 percent below that which it had attained in 1929, and which saw the unemployment rise to take in more than a quarter of the labor force—the government did not try to prop up aggregate demand. The only expansionary fiscal policy action undertaken was the Veterans’ Bonus, passed over President Hoover’s veto. That aside, the full employment budget surplus did not fall over 1929–33.

The Federal Reserve did not use open market operations to keep the nominal money supply from falling. Instead, its only significant systematic use of open market operations was in the other direction: to raise interest rates and discourage gold outflows after the United Kingdom abandoned the gold standard in the fall of 1931.

This inaction did not come about because they did not understand the tools of monetary policy. This inaction did not come about because the Federal Reserve was constrained by the necessity of defending the gold standard. The Federal Reserve knew what it was doing: it was letting the private sector handle the Depression in its own fashion. It saw the private sector’s task as the “liquidation” of the American economy. It feared that expansionary monetary policy would impede the necessary private-sector process of readjustment.

Contemplating in retrospect the wreck of his country’s economy and his own presidency, Herbert Hoover wrote bitterly in his memoirs about those who had advised inaction during the downslide:

The ‘leave-it-alone liquidationists’ headed by Secretary of the Treasury Mellon…felt that government must keep its hands off and let the slump liquidate itself. Mr. Mellon had only one formula: ‘Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate’.…He held that even panic was not altogether a bad thing. He said: ‘It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people’.



The Federal Reserve took almost no steps to halt the slide into the Great Depression over 1929–33. Instead, the Federal Reserve acted as if appropriate policy was not to try to avoid the oncoming Great Depression, but to allow it to run its course and “liquidate” the unprofitable portions of the private economy.

In adopting such “liquidationist” policies, the Federal Reserve was merely following the recommendations provided by an economic theory of depressions that was in fact common before the Keynesian Revolution and was held by economists like Friedrich Hayek, Lionel Robbins, and Joseph Schumpeter.
 
Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

Clearly didn't help and just added to the debt

That's the Christian Science Monitor, not Huffington or Politico.

Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans
they should have been investigated. BP is not an American company and should not be covered for.

Senior Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, with oversight over offshore drilling apologizes to BP!

after BP said it was going to take care of everyone, big0 grandstanded. How does it feel to have someone doing an apology tour for your Pres? OHH THE IRONY

The Official Guide to Legitimate Rape
Look up the odds of getting pregnant and you will actually learn what he said was right, crass, but right.
"It wasn't rape - rape." whoopi goldberg


GOP party platform sticks with "Akin Amendment", does not address rape exception - The Washington Post

Missouri Republican candidate calls to halt federal school lunch programHave you seen the shit they feed kids? Better to save money and bring your own

Republicans Block FEMA Funds For Disaster Relief
They blocked $7billion. What a great idea! When you are broke, stop spending!!

Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'oil subsidies' - CNN.comCry about this when you demand an end to green subsidies. Personally all of them should come to an end.

Republicans for cutting aid to poor instead of oil subsidies
Clearly this didn't go through, since more people are on the dole now that ever before. ahem You are putting more Americans on the dole and keeping them there, making the recovery take longer. AGAIN
Surrogates Admit Romney Will Cut Medicare Benefits For Current Seniors utter horse shit

Romney Calls for Fewer Firemen, Policemen, Teachers - NYTimes.com

I could go on and on. Science in education. Cutting Special Olympic funding. All kinds of things.

I know some Republicans will say, "But, but, but the Democrats this and the Democrats that" and come up with some weird accusation. The Democrats don't want anyone to work or the Democrats are all socialist.

But forget them for a minute. Look at Republican Policies. Are these the policies that represent the GOP? Well, we know they are so let me rephrase that. Why would these policies be good for the country? Defend them. Sell them to us so we can understand how they are good. That's all I ever asked.

comparing the Two parties, I will still vote gop, since the dems refuse to learn that spending your way out of debt is a bad idea.

fdr tried and failed, horribly
Japan tried it and failed
the EU tried and is going down in flames

So I don't know why the dems hate America so much that they will try, again, something they must know will fail.

FDR and the New Deal was extremely successful. Actually, the MOST successful in history.

Depression-GDP-output-1.gif


The Franklin D. Roosevelt administration created the LARGEST increase in GDP in American history.

real_gdp_growth.80133152_std.JPG


Top Five Years for GDP Expansion:

1942, +18.5%
1941, +17.1%
1943, +16.4%
1936, +13.0%
1934, +10.9%

Top Five Years for GDP Contraction:

1932, -13.1%
1946, -10.9%
1930, -8.6%
1931, -6.5%
2009, -3.5%

The utter failure was Hoover listening to Andrew Mellon and the liquidationist. The SAME policies Romney, Ryan and the Republicans are proposing.

What NEVER works is what Herbert Hoover and Andrew Mellon did to bring on the Great Depression...liquidate, and austerity. They listened to the predecessors of the 'Austrian' school. Unless you also believe Medieval blood letting save lives?

Economic Policy Under Hoover

Throughout this decline—which carried real GNP per worker down to a level 40 percent below that which it had attained in 1929, and which saw the unemployment rise to take in more than a quarter of the labor force—the government did not try to prop up aggregate demand. The only expansionary fiscal policy action undertaken was the Veterans’ Bonus, passed over President Hoover’s veto. That aside, the full employment budget surplus did not fall over 1929–33.

The Federal Reserve did not use open market operations to keep the nominal money supply from falling. Instead, its only significant systematic use of open market operations was in the other direction: to raise interest rates and discourage gold outflows after the United Kingdom abandoned the gold standard in the fall of 1931.

This inaction did not come about because they did not understand the tools of monetary policy. This inaction did not come about because the Federal Reserve was constrained by the necessity of defending the gold standard. The Federal Reserve knew what it was doing: it was letting the private sector handle the Depression in its own fashion. It saw the private sector’s task as the “liquidation” of the American economy. It feared that expansionary monetary policy would impede the necessary private-sector process of readjustment.

Contemplating in retrospect the wreck of his country’s economy and his own presidency, Herbert Hoover wrote bitterly in his memoirs about those who had advised inaction during the downslide:

The ‘leave-it-alone liquidationists’ headed by Secretary of the Treasury Mellon…felt that government must keep its hands off and let the slump liquidate itself. Mr. Mellon had only one formula: ‘Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate’.…He held that even panic was not altogether a bad thing. He said: ‘It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people’.



The Federal Reserve took almost no steps to halt the slide into the Great Depression over 1929–33. Instead, the Federal Reserve acted as if appropriate policy was not to try to avoid the oncoming Great Depression, but to allow it to run its course and “liquidate” the unprofitable portions of the private economy.

In adopting such “liquidationist” policies, the Federal Reserve was merely following the recommendations provided by an economic theory of depressions that was in fact common before the Keynesian Revolution and was held by economists like Friedrich Hayek, Lionel Robbins, and Joseph Schumpeter.

Really excellent and factual post.

Thank you.
 
Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

Clearly didn't help and just added to the debt

That's the Christian Science Monitor, not Huffington or Politico.

Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans
they should have been investigated. BP is not an American company and should not be covered for.

Senior Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, with oversight over offshore drilling apologizes to BP!

after BP said it was going to take care of everyone, big0 grandstanded. How does it feel to have someone doing an apology tour for your Pres? OHH THE IRONY

The Official Guide to Legitimate Rape
Look up the odds of getting pregnant and you will actually learn what he said was right, crass, but right.
"It wasn't rape - rape." whoopi goldberg


GOP party platform sticks with "Akin Amendment", does not address rape exception - The Washington Post

Missouri Republican candidate calls to halt federal school lunch programHave you seen the shit they feed kids? Better to save money and bring your own

Republicans Block FEMA Funds For Disaster Relief
They blocked $7billion. What a great idea! When you are broke, stop spending!!

Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'oil subsidies' - CNN.comCry about this when you demand an end to green subsidies. Personally all of them should come to an end.

Republicans for cutting aid to poor instead of oil subsidies
Clearly this didn't go through, since more people are on the dole now that ever before. ahem You are putting more Americans on the dole and keeping them there, making the recovery take longer. AGAIN
Surrogates Admit Romney Will Cut Medicare Benefits For Current Seniors utter horse shit

Romney Calls for Fewer Firemen, Policemen, Teachers - NYTimes.com

I could go on and on. Science in education. Cutting Special Olympic funding. All kinds of things.

I know some Republicans will say, "But, but, but the Democrats this and the Democrats that" and come up with some weird accusation. The Democrats don't want anyone to work or the Democrats are all socialist.

But forget them for a minute. Look at Republican Policies. Are these the policies that represent the GOP? Well, we know they are so let me rephrase that. Why would these policies be good for the country? Defend them. Sell them to us so we can understand how they are good. That's all I ever asked.

comparing the Two parties, I will still vote gop, since the dems refuse to learn that spending your way out of debt is a bad idea.

fdr tried and failed, horribly
Japan tried it and failed
the EU tried and is going down in flames

So I don't know why the dems hate America so much that they will try, again, something they must know will fail.



thats bcaeuse they teach hate, and i try to show posters on here alone. think about this, the dems hate this country so much they think our rights are out of date. who in their right mind thinks rights are out of date? thats like rich kids who hate being rich? you are out of your gord.
 
comparing the Two parties, I will still vote gop, since the dems refuse to learn that spending your way out of debt is a bad idea.

Uh, in case you weren't paying attention, the Rs spent their way INTO debt.

Now, your candidate says he can get out of debt without raising taxes and without cutting CERTAIN programs.

Ya wanna s'plain that? Cuz he can't.



Obama authorized more thann 400 new drilling permits. More than any other prez in the past and more than bushbushreagan.

I don't want to CUT Medicare at all.

Mitt says its got to go and Ryan wants to put us on a voucher system.

Matthew, reading your posts, you may not be aware of this but you are a progressive in disguise. You want programs that actually work. The R does not. They just want control of the peons.

Come over to light side. You'll be happier.
Regan lowered taxes and that increased revenue
Clinton lowered taxes and that increased revenue
Bush lowered them more and that increased revenue

Do you see the pattern?


fdr increased spending and dragged out the recovery
Japan increased spending and dragged out the recovery
The EU increased spending and is dragging out the recovery
Big 0 increased spending and is dragging out the recovery

Do you see the pattern?


Now, what party is saying they want to keep taxes low and cut spending?
Keep in mind the facts of what's worked.

I don't know what to say. You sit in front of the Internet. You can find out anything about anything. Why don't you use? Just go to any search engine, type in your question and hit enter. The right wing lies with they say their truth is the ONLY truth. Never has a political party been filled with so many liars and sheeple. Just the last two Romney ads on "Welfare" and "Medicare" prove that. Even some Republicans admit they are lies and Romney is just trying to "muddy the waters".

The truth about Reagan and "taxes"

. The facts are indisputable: in Ronald Reagan’s first term, he signed off on a series of tax increases — even when unemployment was nearing 11% — and proceeded to raise taxes seven out of the eight years he was in office. The truth is, “no peacetime president has raised taxes so much on so many people” as Reagan.

Building the nations infrastructure is the way every country on earth that ever existed has worked it's way out of recession. The last really big stimulus was Eisenhower who spent trillions to build the inter continental highway system. Where do you think that system came from. Come on, reason it out.
 
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Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

Clearly didn't help and just added to the debt

That's the Christian Science Monitor, not Huffington or Politico.

Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans
they should have been investigated. BP is not an American company and should not be covered for.

Senior Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, with oversight over offshore drilling apologizes to BP!

after BP said it was going to take care of everyone, big0 grandstanded. How does it feel to have someone doing an apology tour for your Pres? OHH THE IRONY

The Official Guide to Legitimate Rape
Look up the odds of getting pregnant and you will actually learn what he said was right, crass, but right.
"It wasn't rape - rape." whoopi goldberg


GOP party platform sticks with "Akin Amendment", does not address rape exception - The Washington Post

Missouri Republican candidate calls to halt federal school lunch programHave you seen the shit they feed kids? Better to save money and bring your own

Republicans Block FEMA Funds For Disaster Relief
They blocked $7billion. What a great idea! When you are broke, stop spending!!

Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'oil subsidies' - CNN.comCry about this when you demand an end to green subsidies. Personally all of them should come to an end.

Republicans for cutting aid to poor instead of oil subsidies
Clearly this didn't go through, since more people are on the dole now that ever before. ahem You are putting more Americans on the dole and keeping them there, making the recovery take longer. AGAIN
Surrogates Admit Romney Will Cut Medicare Benefits For Current Seniors utter horse shit

Romney Calls for Fewer Firemen, Policemen, Teachers - NYTimes.com

I could go on and on. Science in education. Cutting Special Olympic funding. All kinds of things.

I know some Republicans will say, "But, but, but the Democrats this and the Democrats that" and come up with some weird accusation. The Democrats don't want anyone to work or the Democrats are all socialist.

But forget them for a minute. Look at Republican Policies. Are these the policies that represent the GOP? Well, we know they are so let me rephrase that. Why would these policies be good for the country? Defend them. Sell them to us so we can understand how they are good. That's all I ever asked.

comparing the Two parties, I will still vote gop, since the dems refuse to learn that spending your way out of debt is a bad idea.

fdr tried and failed, horribly
Japan tried it and failed
the EU tried and is going down in flames

So I don't know why the dems hate America so much that they will try, again, something they must know will fail.



thats bcaeuse they teach hate, and i try to show posters on here alone. think about this, the dems hate this country so much they think our rights are out of date. who in their right mind thinks rights are out of date? thats like rich kids who hate being rich? you are out of your gord.

More retarded talk from an idiot moron.
Republicans are 90% white. They have gone after every minority in the country. The Democrats are made up of those minorities.
Republicans are even trying to divide the country between those over 55 against those under 55. Try to deny that.
 
All they care about is getting the black guy out of the Lincoln bedroom.
Half-black.

Yeah, like they see only one half.

most people dont see it as a black man except you and Dean....most people are either for the guys policies or against his policies.....and if your against his policies you and Dean and your dumbass brother Franco say its because he is Black.....and then you 3 wonder why you dont get taken seriously ....Fuck all 3 of you Dishonest assholes.....
 
Look at Republican Policies. Are these the policies that represent the GOP? Well, we know they are so let me rephrase that. Why would these policies be good for the country? Defend them. Sell them to us so we can understand how they are good. That's all I ever asked.

That never happens on this board. All we ever get from the rw's is name calling and insults.

Reason is simple - they can't sell it because they know its what got us here in the first place.

For the gazillion time -

The Current ReaganBush Debt is:
$15,051,839,812,702.80
which means that in a total of 20 years,
these three presidents have led to the creation of
94.15%
of the entire national debt
in only 8.4746% of the 236 years of the existence of the United States of America.

ReaganBushDebt.org

democrats controlled both houses of congress most of those years
 
unemployment benefits: Not until bush tax cuts pass, senate gop says - csmonitor.com

that's the christian science monitor, not huffington or politico.

Subpoena power in bp oil spill investigation blocked by senate republicans

senior republican on the house energy and commerce committee, with oversight over offshore drilling apologizes to bp!

The official guide to legitimate rape

gop party platform sticks with "akin amendment", does not address rape exception - the washington post

missouri republican candidate calls to halt federal school lunch program

republicans block fema funds for disaster relief

senate republicans reject obama call to end 'oil subsidies' - cnn.com

republicans for cutting aid to poor instead of oil subsidies

surrogates admit romney will cut medicare benefits for current seniors

romney calls for fewer firemen, policemen, teachers - nytimes.com

at least conservatives are consistent in adhering blindly to their failed dogma.
second most ironic post ever

Made me laugh quite a lot.
 
In all seriousness, the R does not care what is right or good for the United States. If they did, they would not have worked so damn hard to stop jobs or economic improvement. All they care about is getting the black guy out of the Lincoln bedroom.

If the R had not held the country hostage for almost 4 years, we'd be in pretty good shape. Yes, its true that it will a couple of generations to recoup the enormous Reagan/Bush debt but we had a good track on jobs and housing - but the R simply would not allow it.

Bastards. They should be brought up on charges but instead, they're still plotting the demise of their own country. This time they have the help of a jerk who has always invested in other countries - but never his own.

you guys controlled 2/3 of the federal govt and you blame all your failures on someone else?

Race card, your only hope
 
Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

That's the Christian Science Monitor, not Huffington or Politico.

Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans

Senior Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, with oversight over offshore drilling apologizes to BP!

The Official Guide to Legitimate Rape

GOP party platform sticks with "Akin Amendment", does not address rape exception - The Washington Post

Missouri Republican candidate calls to halt federal school lunch program

Republicans Block FEMA Funds For Disaster Relief

Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'oil subsidies' - CNN.com

Republicans for cutting aid to poor instead of oil subsidies

Surrogates Admit Romney Will Cut Medicare Benefits For Current Seniors

Romney Calls for Fewer Firemen, Policemen, Teachers - NYTimes.com

I could go on and on. Science in education. Cutting Special Olympic funding. All kinds of things.

I know some Republicans will say, "But, but, but the Democrats this and the Democrats that" and come up with some weird accusation. The Democrats don't want anyone to work or the Democrats are all socialist.

But forget them for a minute. Look at Republican Policies. Are these the policies that represent the GOP? Well, we know they are so let me rephrase that. Why would these policies be good for the country? Defend them. Sell them to us so we can understand how they are good. That's all I ever asked.

No politician is good for the country because all politicians are scum sucking corrupt motherfuckers.
 
Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

That's the Christian Science Monitor, not Huffington or Politico.

Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans

Senior Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, with oversight over offshore drilling apologizes to BP!

The Official Guide to Legitimate Rape

GOP party platform sticks with "Akin Amendment", does not address rape exception - The Washington Post

Missouri Republican candidate calls to halt federal school lunch program

Republicans Block FEMA Funds For Disaster Relief

Senate Republicans reject Obama call to end 'oil subsidies' - CNN.com

Republicans for cutting aid to poor instead of oil subsidies

Surrogates Admit Romney Will Cut Medicare Benefits For Current Seniors

Romney Calls for Fewer Firemen, Policemen, Teachers - NYTimes.com

I could go on and on. Science in education. Cutting Special Olympic funding. All kinds of things.

I know some Republicans will say, "But, but, but the Democrats this and the Democrats that" and come up with some weird accusation. The Democrats don't want anyone to work or the Democrats are all socialist.

But forget them for a minute. Look at Republican Policies. Are these the policies that represent the GOP? Well, we know they are so let me rephrase that. Why would these policies be good for the country? Defend them. Sell them to us so we can understand how they are good. That's all I ever asked.

You could go on and on and keep proving you haven't a clue.

Is there any wonder why you have so few rep points?


It's because you keep spouting nonsense.


I'm waiting for you to take up the next war the libs are pushing.

I spotted it on MSNBC this morning. The Republican "War On Cities".


This shit is getting a bit old.
 
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In all seriousness, the R does not care what is right or good for the United States. If they did, they would not have worked so damn hard to stop jobs or economic improvement. All they care about is getting the black guy out of the Lincoln bedroom.

If the R had not held the country hostage for almost 4 years, we'd be in pretty good shape. Yes, its true that it will a couple of generations to recoup the enormous Reagan/Bush debt but we had a good track on jobs and housing - but the R simply would not allow it.

Bastards. They should be brought up on charges but instead, they're still plotting the demise of their own country. This time they have the help of a jerk who has always invested in other countries - but never his own.

When did George Soros start helping Republicans?
 

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