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so in your world, if you don't agree with you then one isn't entitled to speak? just curious. If they don't agree with you then it isn't fair? is that it too? you all really crack me up on your have to think like you! hey dude, I'd get into trouble saying what I really want to.The latter. Always the latter. This is a sham trial.
Someone has them believing that Rump will save their sorry reelections. Didn't work out so well in 2018.
No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.
Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.
That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.
Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.
The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.
When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.
Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.The House could not extend consequences. The Senate can. If the Senate is denied anything by the President, they can vote to remove him from office in compliance with the House's Impeachment article. Simple as that. The Court rulings have already been made under Nixon which is considered the modern Gold Standard. And there won't be any court ruling since that ruling has already been made. Rump would be removed from office should the Senate choose. The House did not have that option.
Using the Nixon Trial as the Gold Standard, the Senate can compel anyone to testify under oath including any of the Cabinet members past or present. Executive Privilege only extends to those items that CONGRESS deems as National Security. And I doubt if the two articles of impeachment have anything to do with National Security. Rumps actions with Ukraine and his trying to cover his tracks have zero to do with national security. Therefore, any and all information pertaining to either are fair game. And it's the Senates obligation to call any and all witnesses pertaining to the two articles of impeachment. If Justice Roberts believes calling Hunter Biden is within those confines then that, too, is within those confines. The only US Citizen that cannot be force to testify is Rump, himself.
Moscow Mitch is trying to keep on representing Rump instead of the People of the United States of America. He's trying to rewrite the rules set by the Nixon and Clinton Impeachment proceedings.
First off, you are wrong. There is no precedent for when a President can use EP to not comply with Congress. DumBama did it, and the Republicans had to take it to court to force him to hand over the requested documents. Each case is different due to national security measures.
If the Senate demands anything of Trump, he can do the same thing; claim executive privilege. Then, if desired, Mitch can go through the legal process to force him to give up documents, witnesses, or testimony. Under no condition will they remove him from office for that reason. Furthermore I doubt if Mitch would even go that far. He will continue the hearing without those witnesses.
I know the commies think they run the entire country now, but they don't. The House made their rules of the inquiry, and now Mitch gets to make the rules in the Senate hearing.
And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).
The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.
And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
they didn't though. you know that correct? tell me you know that or you are justRepublicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.First off, you are wrong. There is no precedent for when a President can use EP to not comply with Congress. DumBama did it, and the Republicans had to take it to court to force him to hand over the requested documents. Each case is different due to national security measures.
If the Senate demands anything of Trump, he can do the same thing; claim executive privilege. Then, if desired, Mitch can go through the legal process to force him to give up documents, witnesses, or testimony. Under no condition will they remove him from office for that reason. Furthermore I doubt if Mitch would even go that far. He will continue the hearing without those witnesses.
I know the commies think they run the entire country now, but they don't. The House made their rules of the inquiry, and now Mitch gets to make the rules in the Senate hearing.
And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).
The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.
And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:
Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999
Your nose is the only one I see growing. You tell multiple lies in every postRepublicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.First off, you are wrong. There is no precedent for when a President can use EP to not comply with Congress. DumBama did it, and the Republicans had to take it to court to force him to hand over the requested documents. Each case is different due to national security measures.
If the Senate demands anything of Trump, he can do the same thing; claim executive privilege. Then, if desired, Mitch can go through the legal process to force him to give up documents, witnesses, or testimony. Under no condition will they remove him from office for that reason. Furthermore I doubt if Mitch would even go that far. He will continue the hearing without those witnesses.
I know the commies think they run the entire country now, but they don't. The House made their rules of the inquiry, and now Mitch gets to make the rules in the Senate hearing.
And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).
The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.
And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
Just keep repeating that lie over and over. When the Rump Reps say it, their nose grows a full inch. Given then a few days and they are going to have to go in for a nozzleectomy.
What a truckload of horseshit. That's what Adolph Schiffler fears.Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.First off, you are wrong. There is no precedent for when a President can use EP to not comply with Congress. DumBama did it, and the Republicans had to take it to court to force him to hand over the requested documents. Each case is different due to national security measures.
If the Senate demands anything of Trump, he can do the same thing; claim executive privilege. Then, if desired, Mitch can go through the legal process to force him to give up documents, witnesses, or testimony. Under no condition will they remove him from office for that reason. Furthermore I doubt if Mitch would even go that far. He will continue the hearing without those witnesses.
I know the commies think they run the entire country now, but they don't. The House made their rules of the inquiry, and now Mitch gets to make the rules in the Senate hearing.
And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).
The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.
And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:
Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999
I'll bet he's quivering in his boots!The latter. Always the latter. This is a sham trial.
Someone has them believing that Rump will save their sorry reelections. Didn't work out so well in 2018.
No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.
Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.
That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.
Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.
The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.
When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.
I'll bet he's quivering in his boots!Someone has them believing that Rump will save their sorry reelections. Didn't work out so well in 2018.
No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.
Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.
That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.
Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.
The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.
When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.
dude, you have no dignity. I get it.I'll bet he's quivering in his boots!No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.
Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.
That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.
Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.
The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.
When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.
In case you haven't figured things out yet, the American Public (the party of the rump are not real anything) are tired of the dog and pony circus act now that it's had the fat lady, donkey and disappearing midget (use your own imagination) added to the act. And now, Moscow Mitch and the Reps in the Senate are part of the 3 ring circus. They can stop it anytime.
Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.First off, you are wrong. There is no precedent for when a President can use EP to not comply with Congress. DumBama did it, and the Republicans had to take it to court to force him to hand over the requested documents. Each case is different due to national security measures.
If the Senate demands anything of Trump, he can do the same thing; claim executive privilege. Then, if desired, Mitch can go through the legal process to force him to give up documents, witnesses, or testimony. Under no condition will they remove him from office for that reason. Furthermore I doubt if Mitch would even go that far. He will continue the hearing without those witnesses.
I know the commies think they run the entire country now, but they don't. The House made their rules of the inquiry, and now Mitch gets to make the rules in the Senate hearing.
And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).
The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.
And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:
Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999
The latter. Always the latter. This is a sham trial.
Someone has them believing that Rump will save their sorry reelections. Didn't work out so well in 2018.
No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.
Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.
That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.
Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.
The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.
When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.
Someone has them believing that Rump will save their sorry reelections. Didn't work out so well in 2018.
No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.
Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.
That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.
Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.
The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.
When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.
Sure it matters when it happens because this is supposed to be conducted similar to a court of law. You start out with opening remarks because for one, this is where Trump's defense team is first heard, and two, the decision to call witnesses has to be determined based on what the opening arguments are. In other words, the reason Democrats insisted on something they know no Republican will agree to is a dog and pony show to try and make them look bad.
Dershowitz has appeared many times on Laura's show about this matter. HIs professional opinion is that none of these charges warrant an impeachment. Even if it can be proven Trump held aid from Ukraine until Zelensky looked into the Biden's, it's not an impeachable matter because Presidents of the past retarded aid for various reasons; Joe Biden when he was in Ukraine the most recent one.
Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).
The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.
And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:
Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999
they didn't though. you know that correct? tell me you know that or you are just
Not when they were kneecapped by an administration that refused to honor subpoenas. Not by a long shot.
You lie 1000 times more than Trump.Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.First off, you are wrong. There is no precedent for when a President can use EP to not comply with Congress. DumBama did it, and the Republicans had to take it to court to force him to hand over the requested documents. Each case is different due to national security measures.
If the Senate demands anything of Trump, he can do the same thing; claim executive privilege. Then, if desired, Mitch can go through the legal process to force him to give up documents, witnesses, or testimony. Under no condition will they remove him from office for that reason. Furthermore I doubt if Mitch would even go that far. He will continue the hearing without those witnesses.
I know the commies think they run the entire country now, but they don't. The House made their rules of the inquiry, and now Mitch gets to make the rules in the Senate hearing.
And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).
The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.
And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
Just keep repeating that lie over and over. When the Rump Reps say it, their nose grows a full inch. Given then a few days and they are going to have to go in for a nozzleectomy.
The Republicans in the majority can call any witness they want? My . . . . how big of you to allow that. Once again, I have to point out to you that this isn't a real trial. The time for testimony and witnesses was in the House.Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:
Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999
they didn't though. you know that correct? tell me you know that or you are just
Yes, I am just. I've argued that the R's can call any relevant witness they want to testify, as long as the D's have the same ability. The R's can subpoena relevant documents, and the D's can too. Every court room and trial follows this script as part of America's Jurisprudence.
Keep in mind the R's had every opportunity to cross examine every witness in both of the Committee Hearings. Keep in mind the hearings were not a trial, they were in essence a preliminary hearing, no finding of guilt was or could have been established.
The only finding was that the testimonies and documents presented were sufficient and necessary to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump to answer. And now, the Defendant is away from the nation, and Sen. McConnell has created a trial sure to acquit the Defendant; notwithstanding the copious amount of evidence produced in the hearings, and everyday sense, incriminating The President.
Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
You're totally out of touch with reality.
Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:
Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999
they didn't though. you know that correct? tell me you know that or you are just
Yes, I am just. I've argued that the R's can call any relevant witness they want to testify, as long as the D's have the same ability. The R's can subpoena relevant documents, and the D's can too. Every court room and trial follows this script as part of America's Jurisprudence.
Keep in mind the R's had every opportunity to cross examine every witness in both of the Committee Hearings. Keep in mind the hearings were not a trial, they were in essence a preliminary hearing, no finding of guilt was or could have been established.
The only finding was that the testimonies and documents presented were sufficient and necessary to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump to answer. And now, the Defendant is away from the nation, and Sen. McConnell has created a trial sure to acquit the Defendant; notwithstanding the copious amount of evidence produced in the hearings, and everyday sense, incriminating The President.
"Only two or three counties"Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?
The latter. Always the latter. This is a sham trial.
Someone has them believing that Rump will save their sorry reelections. Didn't work out so well in 2018.
No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.
Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.
Not when they were kneecapped by an administration that refused to honor subpoenas. Not by a long shot.
See, this is obstruction.
The scandal in Washington no one is talking about
By Paul Sperry
May 21, 2016 | 6:37pm
[...]
While then-Attorney General Eric Holder was focused on politics, people were dying. At least 20 other deaths or violent crimes have been linked to Fast and Furious-trafficked guns.
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Brian Terry was killed in a 2010 firefight near the Arizona-Mexico border.AP
The program came to light only after Terry’s 2010 death at the hands of Mexican bandits, who shot him in the back with government-issued semiautomatic weapons. Caught red-handed, “the most transparent administration in history” flat-out lied about the program to Congress, denying it ever even existed.
Then Team Obama conspired to derail investigations into who was responsible by first withholding documents under subpoena — for which Holder earned a contempt-of-Congress citation — and later claiming executive privilege to keep evidence sealed.
But thanks to the court order, Justice has to cough up the “sensitive” documents. So far it’s produced 20,500 lightly redacted pages, though congressional investigators say they hardly cover all the internal department communications under subpoena. They maintain the administration continues to “withhold thousands of documents.”
Even so, the batch in hand reveals the lengths to which senior Obama operatives went to keep information from Congress.
The degree of obstruction was “more than previously understood,” House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Jason Chaffetz said in a recent memo to other members of his panel.
https://nypost.com/2016/05/21/the-scandal-in-washington-no-one-is-talking-about/
No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.
Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.
That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.
Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.
The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.
When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.
Sure it matters when it happens because this is supposed to be conducted similar to a court of law. You start out with opening remarks because for one, this is where Trump's defense team is first heard, and two, the decision to call witnesses has to be determined based on what the opening arguments are. In other words, the reason Democrats insisted on something they know no Republican will agree to is a dog and pony show to try and make them look bad.
Dershowitz has appeared many times on Laura's show about this matter. HIs professional opinion is that none of these charges warrant an impeachment. Even if it can be proven Trump held aid from Ukraine until Zelensky looked into the Biden's, it's not an impeachable matter because Presidents of the past retarded aid for various reasons; Joe Biden when he was in Ukraine the most recent one.
The money wasn't the Presidents to withhold. It's Congresses call. A President can only withhold the funds at the direction of Congress. Biden had the support of the Congress. Rump did it behind closed doors and tried to hide it from Congress. He delayed it so bad that it took another Congressional act to make up the loss due to the delay. Rump broke the law and was unconstitutional. Biden followed the law within the confines of the Constitution. You can tell the same lie over and over and it's still a lie.
Sondland wasn't called by the Republicans, moron. That's another lie I caught you in.First off, you are wrong. There is no precedent for when a President can use EP to not comply with Congress. DumBama did it, and the Republicans had to take it to court to force him to hand over the requested documents. Each case is different due to national security measures.
If the Senate demands anything of Trump, he can do the same thing; claim executive privilege. Then, if desired, Mitch can go through the legal process to force him to give up documents, witnesses, or testimony. Under no condition will they remove him from office for that reason. Furthermore I doubt if Mitch would even go that far. He will continue the hearing without those witnesses.
I know the commies think they run the entire country now, but they don't. The House made their rules of the inquiry, and now Mitch gets to make the rules in the Senate hearing.
And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).
The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.
And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?
The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.
Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.
Every witness outside of Sondland stated what they knew were assumptions, conclusion, or personal opinion. The only witness that actually spoke to Trump stated that Trump ordered him of no quid pro quo. That being a fact, the commies still impeached him with no actual witnesses to support their case.
Outside of Sondland. That means Sondland was dead on. And he more than implicated Rump and his merry band of Criminals. And to think, he was a witness called by the Republicans. 1 out of 3 of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. So much for not allowing the Republicans to call witnesses. It's just that Rump was so guilty it just LOOKED like the Democrats called them all.
