I can admit Bush failed us in many ways...

[daveman]

So why would he advocate a surge in Afghanistan when he said it didn't work in Iraq?

You're right. Clearly Iraq and Afghanistan are the exact same countries with the exact same terrain, the exact same politics and the exact same make up of population.

Obama said "it didn't work" for political reasons, not for military reasons.

And since it did work, he was wrong. Yet he advocated the same thing for Afghanistan. He didn't specify tactics when he ordered the surge.

 

[DontBeStupid]

So why would he advocate a surge in Afghanistan when he said it didn't work in Iraq?

You're right. Clearly Iraq and Afghanistan are the exact same countries with the exact same terrain, the exact same politics and the exact same make up of population.

Obama said "it didn't work" for political reasons, not for military reasons.

And since it did work, he was wrong. Yet he advocated the same thing for Afghanistan. He didn't specify tactics when he ordered the surge.

The surge in Iraq was not what caused the country to stabilize.

 

[JimH52]

Yes, it will take years to recover from the disaster that Bush left. How about his idea? How about we give the WH back to the party who got us into this mess? Yeah, let's give it back to the GOP so they can finish the job of running the economy into the ground.

 

[daveman]

You're right. Clearly Iraq and Afghanistan are the exact same countries with the exact same terrain, the exact same politics and the exact same make up of population.

Obama said "it didn't work" for political reasons, not for military reasons.

And since it did work, he was wrong. Yet he advocated the same thing for Afghanistan. He didn't specify tactics when he ordered the surge.

The surge in Iraq was not what caused the country to stabilize.

Yes, it was. Don't be ridiculous.

Even Obama admitted he was wrong:

Democrats, led by Obama, concede Iraq surge successful « Creeping Sharia

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You're right. Clearly Iraq and Afghanistan are the exact same countries with the exact same terrain, the exact same politics and the exact same make up of population.

Obama said "it didn't work" for political reasons, not for military reasons.

And since it did work, he was wrong. Yet he advocated the same thing for Afghanistan. He didn't specify tactics when he ordered the surge.

The surge in Iraq was not what caused the country to stabilize.

Are you a comedian or just a political hack?

My dog got pregnant but that's not why she had puppies....

 

[BolshevikHunter]

You can admit that Bush failed in many ways (in 8 years in office), but you don't even list one thing?

And then you expect others to admit the same thing about Obama (after only 2 years and 5 1/2 months in office)?

In general, I think the jury is out on any president who hasn't even served a full term in office. But I must admit that when Bush made the decision to invade Iraq in March 2003, I was pretty sure that he was going to screw this country royally. And guess what? I was right!

I am willing to admit bush screwed up....but will not list his errors here. No way. Now, please list everything you think Obama did wrong.

Oh man....

Stop exasperating bs and read my response to his

That's impossible. Everything that comes out of mentally deranged Zona's mouth is bs. That would be like asking a dog not to bark. It doesn't know any better. ~BH

 

[American Legacy]

Yes, I believe that. And yes, I believe Obama will win again in 2012. Does it suck? Yes. And it is a sign of just how fucking retarded left wing voters are that, despite all this evidence of Obama being a failure, they'll vote for him again. Out of spite, out of feel good emotions, out of just pure zombie like traits Obama's voice puts them in. For whatever reason, we have enough left wing retards in America that they'll still vote for him. Thank the government public school system for that.

I don't blame socialists in this country for voting Democrat. I do, however, blame Democratic policies for creating more socialist voters.

 

[uscitizen]

Now can you lefties do the same for your man? Or are ideological blinders tied too tightly to your face that you can't see or admit the facts of our current situation?

Obama was elected to get the car out of the "ditch"

Gonna be kinda hard to do when he has nearly blown the motor.

Obama sucks, he is a third Bush term.

Obama was elected on the hopes that he would get the car out of the ditch. For the same hopey changey reason that the Tea Partyers were.

And no matter who won it was going to be impossible to get the bus back up the cliff in any short order.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Now can you lefties do the same for your man? Or are ideological blinders tied too tightly to your face that you can't see or admit the facts of our current situation?

Obama was elected to get the car out of the "ditch"

Gonna be kinda hard to do when he has nearly blown the motor.

Obama sucks, he is a third Bush term.

Obama was elected on the hopes that he would get the car out of the ditch. For the same hopey changey reason that the Tea Partyers were.

And no matter who won it was going to be impossible to get the bus back up the cliff in any short order.

Indeed it will take time to get it turned around. Problem is when you got an open wound you first have to stop the bleeding. Obama isn't stopping it. He is bleeding cash at an alarming rate.

 

[Sallow]

Now can you lefties do the same for your man? Or are ideological blinders tied too tightly to your face that you can't see or admit the facts of our current situation?

Obama was elected to get the car out of the "ditch"

Gonna be kinda hard to do when he has nearly blown the motor.

Oh gosh..I point it out plenty when Obama does something that I don't agree with.

EVEN OBAMA admits fault. That's something I LIKE about the man.

Bush never did that.

 

[shintao]

Now can you lefties do the same for your man? Or are ideological blinders tied too tightly to your face that you can't see or admit the facts of our current situation?

Obama was elected to get the car out of the "ditch"

Gonna be kinda hard to do when he has nearly blown the motor.

Obama is a complete failure like Bush was.

 

[shintao]

Now can you lefties do the same for your man? Or are ideological blinders tied too tightly to your face that you can't see or admit the facts of our current situation?

Obama was elected to get the car out of the "ditch"

Gonna be kinda hard to do when he has nearly blown the motor.

Oh gosh..I point it out plenty when Obama does something that I don't agree with.

EVEN OBAMA admits fault. That's something I LIKE about the man.

Bush never did that.

No, Bush fired someone that he would place the blame on. LOL!

 

[Liability]

Now can you lefties do the same for your man? Or are ideological blinders tied too tightly to your face that you can't see or admit the facts of our current situation?

Obama was elected to get the car out of the "ditch"

Gonna be kinda hard to do when he has nearly blown the motor.

You can admit that Bush failed in many ways (in 8 years in office), but you don't even list one thing?

And then you expect others to admit the same thing about Obama (after only 2 years and 5 1/2 months in office)?

In general, I think the jury is out on any president who hasn't even served a full term in office. But I must admit that when Bush made the decision to invade Iraq in March 2003, I was pretty sure that he was going to screw this country royally. And guess what? I was right!

Try to keep up, gasbag.

You are one dumb bitch.

 

[auditor0007]

Now can you lefties do the same for your man? Or are ideological blinders tied too tightly to your face that you can't see or admit the facts of our current situation?

Obama was elected to get the car out of the "ditch"

Gonna be kinda hard to do when he has nearly blown the motor.

what exactly did President Bush do that you felt was wrong?

and Obama was not elected to get the car out of the garage imo....we did not even know we had a financial problem during 90% of the election campaigning period, and we did not know how serious until President bush came on the television about 2- 3 weeks before the election and told us all that our country was going down like a rock, IF the TARP Bailout was not authorized by congress....and he explained to us about Mortgage Backed Securities (which i had never heard of) being the same as Toxic Assets.....

I personally ran to the bank and took out a few thousand to keep under the bed....President Bush scared the pajesus out of me!

People had their minds made up to vote for Obama LONG BEFORE they even knew we had a crisis or what the depth of the crisis really was....

they didn't elect him to solve this financial crisis....he got elected on the' I am not Bush' scenario imho....

Good post. Yes, the economy didn't become an issue in the election until September, 2 months before voting. That's when McCain "parachuted in" to fix things:
Capitol Briefing - McCain, Cornyn Engage in Heated Exchange

Things got really heated when Cornyn accused McCain of being too busy campaigning for president to take part in the negotiations, which have gone on for months behind closed doors. "Wait a second here," Cornyn said to McCain. "I've been sitting in here for all of these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You're out of line."

"[Expletive] you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room," shouted McCain at Cornyn.

ALSO, the Repubs want the electorate to beleive that an economic down-turn, the likes of which are only equalled by the Great Depression, should be over with in a couple of years is laughable.

The biggest driver of this economic downturn is the simple fact that the baby boomers stopped spending their money. The are heading into retirement, and since they already have purchased just about everything they could possibly need, they stopped spending. As the housing market tanked and the rest of the economy tanked, they stopped spending even more in an attempt to protect their assets. Given that our economy is 70% consumer spending, there is no quick fix to this scenario. Those with the money have stopped spending and it's not because we are overtaxing them. It's simply because they have what they need.

I don't care what we do, we are not going to turn this around quickly. We could cut taxes to zero, and it wouldn't change a thing. Putting more money into infrastructure might help, but that involves taxing people more, so I'm not sure that there is a benefit. If there is any hope though, it would come from infrastructure spending. Truthfully, the only way I see us coming out of this is if we begin to manufacture more of our own goods and develop new technologies that we can actually export. We need to find a way to get our economy to become less of a consumer economy and more of a producer economy. Selling American made products both at home and abroad is the only way companies will hire again.

 

[rdean]

Try -----> EVERY WAY.

But then, he was just following Republican doctrine. What else can you expect? Nothing they do is based on "facts" or "data". All their policies are "gut feelings". You can get the same "gut feeling" from a bit of undigested beef.

 

[Avorysuds]

they didn't elect him to solve this financial crisis....he got elected on the' I am not Bush' scenario imho....

I agree with this. Obama is all style no substance. We're paying for it now.

Still waiting for a single Bush era policy repeal from Obama... I wonder if Care still has money hidden in her matters or if the switch from R to D is all it took despite ALL of the same polices still being in place that scared her under Bush.

 

[Avorysuds]

This thread is acting under the false assumption that Democrats and or Liberals have not criticized Obama faults.

Many have, enough to quite possibly cost him the election. But he was asking for the liberals here to admit this, obviously the ones that have not admitted it as they are usually the first to bring up Bush and Republicans.

There is a weird expectation in that if you’re a conservative you HAVE to admit over and over and over that Bush and his Rep congress were fucking morons that helped cause a huge problem, even when you do this it will be glossed over. Now the left has Obama, the Progressive king who came to save the country from the evil Bush era policies and yet here we are, Bush policies bigger than ever.

 

[Sallow]

what exactly did President Bush do that you felt was wrong?

and Obama was not elected to get the car out of the garage imo....we did not even know we had a financial problem during 90% of the election campaigning period, and we did not know how serious until President bush came on the television about 2- 3 weeks before the election and told us all that our country was going down like a rock, IF the TARP Bailout was not authorized by congress....and he explained to us about Mortgage Backed Securities (which i had never heard of) being the same as Toxic Assets.....

I personally ran to the bank and took out a few thousand to keep under the bed....President Bush scared the pajesus out of me!

People had their minds made up to vote for Obama LONG BEFORE they even knew we had a crisis or what the depth of the crisis really was....

they didn't elect him to solve this financial crisis....he got elected on the' I am not Bush' scenario imho....

Good post. Yes, the economy didn't become an issue in the election until September, 2 months before voting. That's when McCain "parachuted in" to fix things:
Capitol Briefing - McCain, Cornyn Engage in Heated Exchange

Things got really heated when Cornyn accused McCain of being too busy campaigning for president to take part in the negotiations, which have gone on for months behind closed doors. "Wait a second here," Cornyn said to McCain. "I've been sitting in here for all of these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You're out of line."

"[Expletive] you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room," shouted McCain at Cornyn.

ALSO, the Repubs want the electorate to beleive that an economic down-turn, the likes of which are only equalled by the Great Depression, should be over with in a couple of years is laughable.

The biggest driver of this economic downturn is the simple fact that the baby boomers stopped spending their money. The are heading into retirement, and since they already have purchased just about everything they could possibly need, they stopped spending. As the housing market tanked and the rest of the economy tanked, they stopped spending even more in an attempt to protect their assets. Given that our economy is 70% consumer spending, there is no quick fix to this scenario. Those with the money have stopped spending and it's not because we are overtaxing them. It's simply because they have what they need.

I don't care what we do, we are not going to turn this around quickly. We could cut taxes to zero, and it wouldn't change a thing. Putting more money into infrastructure might help, but that involves taxing people more, so I'm not sure that there is a benefit. If there is any hope though, it would come from infrastructure spending. Truthfully, the only way I see us coming out of this is if we begin to manufacture more of our own goods and develop new technologies that we can actually export. We need to find a way to get our economy to become less of a consumer economy and more of a producer economy. Selling American made products both at home and abroad is the only way companies will hire again.

Most of your post I agree with..except the bolded part. Because it's incorrect.

The economic downturn came as a result of several things.

1. A numbers game (excuse me, financial algorithms that had to remain secret because they cost a great deal of time and effort to generate) that was played perfectly by mathematical geniuses on wall street.

2. Massive layoffs based on two things. Off shoring and near shoring can get you "similar" results for pennies on the dollar. Both those things will break the backs of American Unions and Labor in general.

3. It's no longer required (in the short term at least) to produce "anything" in order to make a profit. At zero percent interest rates a company can borrow to either park the money in a interest bearing account. Or they can buy back their shares.

 

[Liability]

This thread is acting under the false assumption that Democrats and or Liberals have not criticized Obama faults.

No. The thread is not acting at all.

The thread may proceed upon the assumption or the belief, though, that it is a VERY rare thing for most liberals to EVER offer any criticism of President Obama's actions, words or policies.

Are there exceptions? Of course.

But the thread seeks to have them made explicit and clear.

When that's done, patterns may emerge. Those patterns might prove informative.

 

[Avatar4321]

This thread is acting under the false assumption that Democrats and or Liberals have not criticized Obama faults.

It's actually a fairly safe assumption with a majority of the progressives on this board.