How stupid can the U.S. really get?????

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    While we pay around $2.00 a gallon, the U.S. taxpayer is subsidizing gasoline, to the tune of two billion a year, in Iraq so that the Iraqi driver only pays 5 cents a gallon.

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040605/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_cheap_gas

    Middle East - AP


    Iraqis the Only Ones Getting Cheap Gas

    Sat Jun 5, 2:06 AM ET

    By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - One of the prewar forecasts was that by invading Iraq (news - web sites), the world would profit from stable exports of Iraq's oil. And that would translate into cheap gas for American drivers. Now, with U.S. gasoline averaging $2.05 per gallon — about 50 cents more than the pre-invasion price — that logic has been flipped on its head.


    Instead, Iraqis seem to be the only people getting cheap gas as a result of the invasion. They pay just five cents for a gallon — thanks to hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. taxpayer subsidies.

    Since Iraq has little capacity to refine its own gasoline, the U.S. government pays about $1.50 a gallon to purchase fuel in neighboring countries and deliver it to Iraqi filling stations. A three-month supply costs American taxpayers more than $500 million, not including the cost of military escorts.

    The arrangement keeps a fleet of 4,200 tank trucks constantly on the move, ferrying fuel to Iraq.

    Baghdad taxi driver Osama Hashim says he owes his livelihood to the U.S. taxpayer.

    "We thank the Americans. They risked their lives to liberate us and now they are improving our lives," said Hashim, 26, topping up the tank on his beat-up 1983 Volkswagen.

    Filling a 22-gallon tank in Baghdad with low-grade fuel costs just $1.10, plus a 50-cent tip for the attendant. A tankful of high-test costs $2.75.

    In Britain, by contrast, gasoline prices hit $5.79 per gallon last week — $127 for a tankful.

    Iraq's fuel subsidies, which are intended to mollify drivers used to low-priced fuel under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), have coupled with the opening of the borders to create an anarchic car culture in Baghdad.

    Cheap used cars shipped from Europe and Asia are flooding into Iraq. A 10-year-old BMW in good condition costs just $5,000. Since gas is so cheap, anyone with a car can become a taxi driver. Drivers jam the streets, offering rides for as little as 250 dinars — about 17 cents.

    Iraq has no sales tax, no registration, no license plates and no auto insurance. Some would argue there are no rules of the road. Cars barrel the wrong way on the highway. They swoop into surprise U-turns. They ignore traffic signals.

    Analysts say the U.S. gas subsidies can't last forever.

    "The U.S. taxpayer has a right to be indignant, and Iraqis have to be warned about the long-run damages of this," said Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "The minute the aid goes out, the party is over. And there's going to be a hell of a hangover."

    The U.S. government paid even more last year for Iraqis' gasoline — between $1.59 and $1.70 per gallon — when the imports were contracted to Halliburton, the Texas oil services giant formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites).

    The cheap fuel is spurring unsustainable demand, promoting wasteful use of energy and transportation, and squandering Iraq's oil output that might otherwise be exported, Cordesman said.

    "You're leading people to buy cars that aren't affordable at normal costs," he said. "You need to move toward real market prices as quickly as you can without causing instability."

    Iraqi drivers protest that the price difference between a gallon of gas in the United States and Iraq is fair, because the average Iraqi earns around $1,000 per year, a thirtieth of the average U.S. wage.

    "If the price of gas goes up, we'll see lots of anger in the street," said cab driver Hashim, at a grimy filling station on Saadoun Street in central Baghdad.

    Cheap gasoline is also needed to fuel the ubiquitous portable electric generators in Iraq, which power air conditioners during long daily blackouts.

    Hashim and another driver, convinced, like many Iraqis, that the United States reaps huge amounts of cheap Iraqi oil, said subsidized gasoline was the least Americans could provide in return.

    "The United States controls all Iraqi resources now," said Jenan Jabro, 50, tanking up his black Opel. "So what if they have to pay a little bit for gasoline? That's nothing compared to what they get in return."

    Analysts say there never was a good case — either before the war or afterward — that a U.S. invasion would pay dividends in cheap oil.

    "Some of the neo-conservatives might've been saying that, but no energy analysts were walking around saying that," Cordesman said.

    Iraq's current exports of just under 2 million barrels of oil a day aren't enough to dent the world market price. It will take up to three years to bring Iraq back just to 1991 export levels, said Rachel Bronson of the Council on Foreign Relations. The country is still too unstable for most oil companies to invest in, she said.
     
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    We should be setting up a tab for Iraq right now. Someway for them to pay us back overtime for you know liberating them and giving them a chance at a free life. I think Bush is weak in that area due to the politic pressures he is receiving from both sides to not press for it.
     
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    How about we send the tab to Halliburton?
     
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    How do you figure?:rolleyes: (puts on raincoat for the bullshit about to come pouring down)
     
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    I figure, if we can manage to unselect the current administration, the next will be able to uncover for the general public the dirty dealings Mr. Cheney has had his hands in during this "war." Contracts awarded to Haliburton with no other competitors allowed, over charging of the U.S. tax payers for energy costs and food distibution to soldiers. A look see into the private meetings of Mr. Cheney's energy task force, which encluded Ken Lay before (after?) the collapse of Enron. How about general accounting from our current executive office, prosecution and then massive fines for secret dealings on a massive scale. A look see into "war profiteering" by all officials involved.
     
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    So, where is your head and where is your ass?
     
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    Why?

    Do you intend to screw both?

    How about the fact over 75% of our oil doesn't even come from the mideast.

    Ever figure THAT in smart guy?

    What that means is our prices, when rising due to the mideast, have NOTHING to do with the mideast, and OIL in the mideast is not necessarily the main reason we are there.

    Try to prove your point with evidence.
     
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    That's a rhetorical question, right?
     
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    would you be refering to the contracts that the contracts that theGAO: No-Bid Contracts in Iraq Appear Legal . oh yes lets discuss ken lay as well while were at it. i want to know how he ended up on 11 trade trips with clinton yet was on none with bush. or better yet i want to know why clinton gave them hundreds of millions of dollars for a power plant in india that never was built and on and on. these aren't things that that might have been done maybe would have been done these were things that were done throughout the 90's under clinton. yet you don't see any of that from bush. don't give me any energy bill crap either. that didn't pass and no one got anything. the things i posted did happen.
     
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