How much should health care cost? Should it cost anything?

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    That's what I would like to know. Because the more liberal support and arguments you read for Obamacare or single payer or UHC, it seems that the left doesnt' really want health care to cost less, they want it to cost nothing to the consumer. That concept needs to be addresssed. Tackling the cost to the consumer and lowering it has one set of possible solutions. Making it cost nothing or something government funded through taxes requires another set of solutions.

    So out with it libs. Is health care something you should pay directly for? Or is it something government should provide through taxes?
     
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    There are many ways to pay for a Health Care system. Differant ways in Britian, Germany, Switzerland, Japan, and Taiwan.

    Nobody is suggesting that it does not have to be paid for. In fact, were we to have a real system, it would cost me less than the insurance I now have. For more information;

    FRONTLINE: sick around the world | PBS

    In none of the democracies are there citizens going bankrupt because of medical bills. That is our privilege alone of all the western democracies.
     
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    Nope, just their governments.

    And you didn't answer the question. Should it be paid for through taxes and government administered or should indiivudals have to pay for the medical services they require?
     
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    Ah, Widdo Willyo, no one should try to improve your classyness.:lol:
     
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    But you didn't answer the question. How much should it cost?

    I'm a 58 year old man, have a 17 year old kid and a policy that I pay $280 a month for insurance. I do not expect to go to the Dr and pay him $20 and the insurance pay the remainder. I can and should pay my doctor visit the same as my parentd and the same as their parents did.

    let me digress. When I say the insurance pay the remainder what I am saying is that you are paying for me. Since insurance is a social compact where the risk is spread among the people belonging to the same insurance company, you would be the one paying the remainder of the doctors visit.

    So if I can pay my Dr...why should I expect you to pay but that is what many American's want....someone else to pay.

    Today I was reading about a couple that are suing over Obama Care. Their pleading is that "accord*ing to their complaint, “the immediate reduction of long-term purchasing power” is a legal injury to them “directly resulting from the unconstitutional individual mandate and penalty.

    On March 27, they began shopping for a new automobile. Their $450-a-month disposable income only allowed them to afford a five year financing plan.

    Four days earlier, President Barack Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The “individual mandate” of the law requires citizens to purchase health insurance or be financially penalized through their income tax returns. The XXXXXX contend that mandate means their disposable income must be directed toward insurance premiums instead of a new car.”

    I agree with their legal pleading but the purchase of a car is more important than paying for health insurance.

    I have always thought there are two discussions and they get blurred. One is health care and the other is health insurance. What I hear is people complaining about the cost of health insurance but call it health care. I rarely hear or read of someone complaining because they had to pay $1,500 for the ultra sound and why does it cost so much or why does my doctor charge $150 for an office visit. Normally when they complain it is about the cost of insurance.

    Health insurance pays for health care. So I think we need to discuss the two as separate issues and Obama Care does nothing to stem health care costs. He masterfully blurred the two discussions under one umbrella - health insurance.
     
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    I think you're right. I think if we want solutions to this people need to start thinking outside the box. First by letting go of the notion that insurance is the only de facto way to pay for health care in a free market.

    But again to have that discussion there has to be consensus first that individuals should finance their own health care.
     
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    What is your life worth, Bern80?

    Out with it, lad , tell us exactly what it's worth.

    Is it worth every cent you have?

    Even if it leaves you bankrupted?

    My guess is that to you it is.

    That, FYI, is why normal market considerations are meaningless when it comes to health care issues and policies.

    When was the last time you shopped around for heart by pass surgery?
     

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