How is the boycott going?

[montelatici]

Maybe a pro Palestinian can answer this question: If Israel is an Apartheid state, then where is the Apartheid in Israel proper?

Interesting question, according to the definition of the Crime of Apartheid which states, inter alia:

"For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:
i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;
d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;
e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;
f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1015/volume-1015-I-14861-English.pdf

The following Israeli laws have been shown to breach the above convention:

Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949)
Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951)
Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960)
Israel Lands Administration Law (1960)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Registration Of Inhabitants (1949)
Law Of Return (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
Nationality Law (1952)
Entry Into Israel (1952)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954)
Population Registry Law (1965)
Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
World Zionist Organization – Jewish Agency (Status) Law (1952)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Peanut Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Vegetable Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Egg And Poultry Board (Production And Marketing) Law (1963)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Fruit Production And Marketing Board Law (1973)
Galilee Law (1988)
Negev Law (Amendment)(1988)
Defense Army Of Israel Ordinance (1948)
Defense Service Law (1949)
Discharged Soldiers (Return to Work) Law (1949)
Grants to Soldiers and their Families Regulations (1970)
Discharged Soldiers Law (1984)
Israel Defence Forces (Permanent Service) (Benefits) (Consolidated Version) (1985)
Discharged Soldiers (Adjustment Grant) Law (1988)
Defense (Emergency) Regulations (1945)
Amutot Law (1980)
Basic Law: Knesset (Amendment 9)(1985)

All are still on the statute books as far as I know and apply to "Israel proper"

THAT'S what you call Apartheid ? Oh, the horror !!!!!

I suppose the American law that only someone born here can become president, can also be considered Apartheid.

That is an erroneous interpretation of the law. A natural born citizen is one born anywhere of at least one U.S. parent. That is not Apartheid as it does not discriminate against any specific race, ethnicity or religion. It is based on citizenship and how it is derived. Nice try though.

Apartheid states tend to have signs like this:

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Maybe a pro Palestinian can answer this question: If Israel is an Apartheid state, then where is the Apartheid in Israel proper?

Interesting question, according to the definition of the Crime of Apartheid which states, inter alia:

"For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:
i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;
d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;
e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;
f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1015/volume-1015-I-14861-English.pdf

The following Israeli laws have been shown to breach the above convention:

Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949)
Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951)
Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960)
Israel Lands Administration Law (1960)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Registration Of Inhabitants (1949)
Law Of Return (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
Nationality Law (1952)
Entry Into Israel (1952)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954)
Population Registry Law (1965)
Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
World Zionist Organization – Jewish Agency (Status) Law (1952)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Peanut Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Vegetable Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Egg And Poultry Board (Production And Marketing) Law (1963)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Fruit Production And Marketing Board Law (1973)
Galilee Law (1988)
Negev Law (Amendment)(1988)
Defense Army Of Israel Ordinance (1948)
Defense Service Law (1949)
Discharged Soldiers (Return to Work) Law (1949)
Grants to Soldiers and their Families Regulations (1970)
Discharged Soldiers Law (1984)
Israel Defence Forces (Permanent Service) (Benefits) (Consolidated Version) (1985)
Discharged Soldiers (Adjustment Grant) Law (1988)
Defense (Emergency) Regulations (1945)
Amutot Law (1980)
Basic Law: Knesset (Amendment 9)(1985)

All are still on the statute books as far as I know and apply to "Israel proper"

THAT'S what you call Apartheid ? Oh, the horror !!!!!

I suppose the American law that only someone born here can become president, can also be considered Apartheid.

That is an erroneous interpretation of the law. A natural born citizen is one born anywhere of at least one U.S. parent. That is not Apartheid as it does not discriminate against any specific race, ethnicity or religion. It is based on citizenship and how it is derived. Nice try though.

Apartheid states tend to have signs like this:

I've responded to this multiple times. During the Second Intifada, in the West Bank, Jewish drivers would get shot at by Arab snipers. Thus, Jewish and Arab-only roads were established for safety reasons.

 

[montelatici]

Maybe a pro Palestinian can answer this question: If Israel is an Apartheid state, then where is the Apartheid in Israel proper?

Interesting question, according to the definition of the Crime of Apartheid which states, inter alia:

"For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:
i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;
d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;
e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;
f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1015/volume-1015-I-14861-English.pdf

The following Israeli laws have been shown to breach the above convention:

Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949)
Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951)
Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960)
Israel Lands Administration Law (1960)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Registration Of Inhabitants (1949)
Law Of Return (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
Nationality Law (1952)
Entry Into Israel (1952)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954)
Population Registry Law (1965)
Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
World Zionist Organization – Jewish Agency (Status) Law (1952)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Peanut Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Vegetable Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Egg And Poultry Board (Production And Marketing) Law (1963)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Fruit Production And Marketing Board Law (1973)
Galilee Law (1988)
Negev Law (Amendment)(1988)
Defense Army Of Israel Ordinance (1948)
Defense Service Law (1949)
Discharged Soldiers (Return to Work) Law (1949)
Grants to Soldiers and their Families Regulations (1970)
Discharged Soldiers Law (1984)
Israel Defence Forces (Permanent Service) (Benefits) (Consolidated Version) (1985)
Discharged Soldiers (Adjustment Grant) Law (1988)
Defense (Emergency) Regulations (1945)
Amutot Law (1980)
Basic Law: Knesset (Amendment 9)(1985)

All are still on the statute books as far as I know and apply to "Israel proper"

THAT'S what you call Apartheid ? Oh, the horror !!!!!

I suppose the American law that only someone born here can become president, can also be considered Apartheid.

That is an erroneous interpretation of the law. A natural born citizen is one born anywhere of at least one U.S. parent. That is not Apartheid as it does not discriminate against any specific race, ethnicity or religion. It is based on citizenship and how it is derived. Nice try though.

Apartheid states tend to have signs like this:

I've responded to this multiple times. During the Second Intifada, in the West Bank, Jewish drivers would get shot at by Arab snipers. Thus, Jewish and Arab-only roads were established for safety reasons.

Apartheid South Africa prevented non-whites from entering white areas for security reasons as well. It didn't make it any less Apartheid.

 

[toastman]

Interesting question, according to the definition of the Crime of Apartheid which states, inter alia:

"For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:
i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;
d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;
e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;
f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1015/volume-1015-I-14861-English.pdf

The following Israeli laws have been shown to breach the above convention:

Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949)
Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951)
Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960)
Israel Lands Administration Law (1960)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Registration Of Inhabitants (1949)
Law Of Return (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
Nationality Law (1952)
Entry Into Israel (1952)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954)
Population Registry Law (1965)
Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
World Zionist Organization – Jewish Agency (Status) Law (1952)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Peanut Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Vegetable Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Egg And Poultry Board (Production And Marketing) Law (1963)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Fruit Production And Marketing Board Law (1973)
Galilee Law (1988)
Negev Law (Amendment)(1988)
Defense Army Of Israel Ordinance (1948)
Defense Service Law (1949)
Discharged Soldiers (Return to Work) Law (1949)
Grants to Soldiers and their Families Regulations (1970)
Discharged Soldiers Law (1984)
Israel Defence Forces (Permanent Service) (Benefits) (Consolidated Version) (1985)
Discharged Soldiers (Adjustment Grant) Law (1988)
Defense (Emergency) Regulations (1945)
Amutot Law (1980)
Basic Law: Knesset (Amendment 9)(1985)

All are still on the statute books as far as I know and apply to "Israel proper"

THAT'S what you call Apartheid ? Oh, the horror !!!!!

I suppose the American law that only someone born here can become president, can also be considered Apartheid.

That is an erroneous interpretation of the law. A natural born citizen is one born anywhere of at least one U.S. parent. That is not Apartheid as it does not discriminate against any specific race, ethnicity or religion. It is based on citizenship and how it is derived. Nice try though.

Apartheid states tend to have signs like this:

I've responded to this multiple times. During the Second Intifada, in the West Bank, Jewish drivers would get shot at by Arab snipers. Thus, Jewish and Arab-only roads were established for safety reasons.

Apartheid South Africa prevented non-whites from entering white areas for security reasons as well. It didn't make it any less Apartheid.

You don't understand, do you? During the second intifada, Jews were constantly getting attacked by Arabs. So when Israel does something to prevent further attacks, you deluded morons call it 'Apartheid'.
Same thing with the suicide bombings. During the second intifada, hundreds of Islamic scum from the West Bank, entered Israel to blow themselves up in populated cafes, restaurants, markets etc.. So Israel builds a wall, increases checkpoints and restrictions in the West Bank to prevent further bombings, and you deluded morons call it oppression. Every action has a reaction. You reap what you sow.

 

[montelatici]

THAT'S what you call Apartheid ? Oh, the horror !!!!!

I suppose the American law that only someone born here can become president, can also be considered Apartheid.

That is an erroneous interpretation of the law. A natural born citizen is one born anywhere of at least one U.S. parent. That is not Apartheid as it does not discriminate against any specific race, ethnicity or religion. It is based on citizenship and how it is derived. Nice try though.

Apartheid states tend to have signs like this:

I've responded to this multiple times. During the Second Intifada, in the West Bank, Jewish drivers would get shot at by Arab snipers. Thus, Jewish and Arab-only roads were established for safety reasons.

Apartheid South Africa prevented non-whites from entering white areas for security reasons as well. It didn't make it any less Apartheid.

You don't understand, do you? During the second intifada, Jews were constantly getting attacked by Arabs. So when Israel does something to prevent further attacks, you deluded morons call it 'Apartheid'.
Same thing with the suicide bombings. During the second intifada, hundreds of Islamic scum from the West Bank, entered Israel to blow themselves up in populated cafes, restaurants, markets etc.. So Israel builds a wall, increases checkpoints and restrictions in the West Bank to prevent further bombings, and you deluded morons call it oppression. Every action has a reaction. You reap what you sow.

The ANC was far more deadly than the Palestinians against white targets in Apartheid South Africa. They even had militants that were based in neighboring countries that attacked. The white-ruled government was still considered an Apartheid government. Occupied, colonized and oppressed people will attack the oppressor. If you go to a place to dispossess and replace the inhabitants that's what happens. You reap what you sow.

The delusion is to think that going to Palestine and dispossessing the inhabitants would not have consequences.

 

[toastman]

I suppose the American law that only someone born here can become president, can also be considered Apartheid.

That is an erroneous interpretation of the law. A natural born citizen is one born anywhere of at least one U.S. parent. That is not Apartheid as it does not discriminate against any specific race, ethnicity or religion. It is based on citizenship and how it is derived. Nice try though.

Apartheid states tend to have signs like this:

I've responded to this multiple times. During the Second Intifada, in the West Bank, Jewish drivers would get shot at by Arab snipers. Thus, Jewish and Arab-only roads were established for safety reasons.

Apartheid South Africa prevented non-whites from entering white areas for security reasons as well. It didn't make it any less Apartheid.

You don't understand, do you? During the second intifada, Jews were constantly getting attacked by Arabs. So when Israel does something to prevent further attacks, you deluded morons call it 'Apartheid'.
Same thing with the suicide bombings. During the second intifada, hundreds of Islamic scum from the West Bank, entered Israel to blow themselves up in populated cafes, restaurants, markets etc.. So Israel builds a wall, increases checkpoints and restrictions in the West Bank to prevent further bombings, and you deluded morons call it oppression. Every action has a reaction. You reap what you sow.

The ANC was far more deadly than the Palestinians against white targets in Apartheid South Africa. They even had militants that were based in neighboring countries that attacked. The white-ruled government was still considered an Apartheid government. Occupied, colonized and oppressed people will attack the oppressor. If you go to a place to dispossess and replace the inhabitants that's what happens. You reap what you sow.

The delusion is to think that going to Palestine and dispossessing the inhabitants would not have consequences.

The delusion is expecting Israel to do fuck all when Palestinians keep attacking. Take a look at the current situation; it appears that the Palestinians have reaped what they have sowed

 

[montelatici]

That is an erroneous interpretation of the law. A natural born citizen is one born anywhere of at least one U.S. parent. That is not Apartheid as it does not discriminate against any specific race, ethnicity or religion. It is based on citizenship and how it is derived. Nice try though.

Apartheid states tend to have signs like this:

I've responded to this multiple times. During the Second Intifada, in the West Bank, Jewish drivers would get shot at by Arab snipers. Thus, Jewish and Arab-only roads were established for safety reasons.

Apartheid South Africa prevented non-whites from entering white areas for security reasons as well. It didn't make it any less Apartheid.

You don't understand, do you? During the second intifada, Jews were constantly getting attacked by Arabs. So when Israel does something to prevent further attacks, you deluded morons call it 'Apartheid'.
Same thing with the suicide bombings. During the second intifada, hundreds of Islamic scum from the West Bank, entered Israel to blow themselves up in populated cafes, restaurants, markets etc.. So Israel builds a wall, increases checkpoints and restrictions in the West Bank to prevent further bombings, and you deluded morons call it oppression. Every action has a reaction. You reap what you sow.

The ANC was far more deadly than the Palestinians against white targets in Apartheid South Africa. They even had militants that were based in neighboring countries that attacked. The white-ruled government was still considered an Apartheid government. Occupied, colonized and oppressed people will attack the oppressor. If you go to a place to dispossess and replace the inhabitants that's what happens. You reap what you sow.

The delusion is to think that going to Palestine and dispossessing the inhabitants would not have consequences.

The delusion is expecting Israel to do fuck all when Palestinians keep attacking. Take a look at the current situation; it appears that the Palestinians have reaped what they have sowed

It looked pretty bad for the non-whites in South Africa until the sanctions started being imposed. Israel has no reason to negotiate for a realistic solution as long as they can continue to rule over the non-Jews under its control. I can understand their position. Unfortunately, in these situations the oppressed have to make it uncomfortable for the oppressor or the master/slave (figuratively speaking) will never change. It's always been this way. You just observe the dynamic as a very strong partisan of one side. It's understandable but not coherent.

 

[toastman]

I've responded to this multiple times. During the Second Intifada, in the West Bank, Jewish drivers would get shot at by Arab snipers. Thus, Jewish and Arab-only roads were established for safety reasons.

Apartheid South Africa prevented non-whites from entering white areas for security reasons as well. It didn't make it any less Apartheid.

You don't understand, do you? During the second intifada, Jews were constantly getting attacked by Arabs. So when Israel does something to prevent further attacks, you deluded morons call it 'Apartheid'.
Same thing with the suicide bombings. During the second intifada, hundreds of Islamic scum from the West Bank, entered Israel to blow themselves up in populated cafes, restaurants, markets etc.. So Israel builds a wall, increases checkpoints and restrictions in the West Bank to prevent further bombings, and you deluded morons call it oppression. Every action has a reaction. You reap what you sow.

The ANC was far more deadly than the Palestinians against white targets in Apartheid South Africa. They even had militants that were based in neighboring countries that attacked. The white-ruled government was still considered an Apartheid government. Occupied, colonized and oppressed people will attack the oppressor. If you go to a place to dispossess and replace the inhabitants that's what happens. You reap what you sow.

The delusion is to think that going to Palestine and dispossessing the inhabitants would not have consequences.

The delusion is expecting Israel to do fuck all when Palestinians keep attacking. Take a look at the current situation; it appears that the Palestinians have reaped what they have sowed

It looked pretty bad for the non-whites in South Africa until the sanctions started being imposed. Israel has no reason to negotiate for a realistic solution as long as they can continue to rule over the non-Jews under its control. I can understand their position. Unfortunately, in these situations the oppressed have to make it uncomfortable for the oppressor or the master/slave (figuratively speaking) will never change. It's always been this way. You just observe the dynamic as a very strong partisan of one side. It's understandable but not coherent.

Monti, you are again comparing two very different situations.

 

[montelatici]

Apartheid South Africa prevented non-whites from entering white areas for security reasons as well. It didn't make it any less Apartheid.

You don't understand, do you? During the second intifada, Jews were constantly getting attacked by Arabs. So when Israel does something to prevent further attacks, you deluded morons call it 'Apartheid'.
Same thing with the suicide bombings. During the second intifada, hundreds of Islamic scum from the West Bank, entered Israel to blow themselves up in populated cafes, restaurants, markets etc.. So Israel builds a wall, increases checkpoints and restrictions in the West Bank to prevent further bombings, and you deluded morons call it oppression. Every action has a reaction. You reap what you sow.

The ANC was far more deadly than the Palestinians against white targets in Apartheid South Africa. They even had militants that were based in neighboring countries that attacked. The white-ruled government was still considered an Apartheid government. Occupied, colonized and oppressed people will attack the oppressor. If you go to a place to dispossess and replace the inhabitants that's what happens. You reap what you sow.

The delusion is to think that going to Palestine and dispossessing the inhabitants would not have consequences.

The delusion is expecting Israel to do fuck all when Palestinians keep attacking. Take a look at the current situation; it appears that the Palestinians have reaped what they have sowed

It looked pretty bad for the non-whites in South Africa until the sanctions started being imposed. Israel has no reason to negotiate for a realistic solution as long as they can continue to rule over the non-Jews under its control. I can understand their position. Unfortunately, in these situations the oppressed have to make it uncomfortable for the oppressor or the master/slave (figuratively speaking) will never change. It's always been this way. You just observe the dynamic as a very strong partisan of one side. It's understandable but not coherent.

Monti, you are again comparing two very different situations.

What is the difference?

 

[Phoenall]

Maybe a pro Palestinian can answer this question: If Israel is an Apartheid state, then where is the Apartheid in Israel proper?

Interesting question, according to the definition of the Crime of Apartheid which states, inter alia:

"For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:
i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;
d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;
e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;
f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1015/volume-1015-I-14861-English.pdf

The following Israeli laws have been shown to breach the above convention:

Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949)
Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951)
Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960)
Israel Lands Administration Law (1960)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Registration Of Inhabitants (1949)
Law Of Return (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
Nationality Law (1952)
Entry Into Israel (1952)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954)
Population Registry Law (1965)
Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
World Zionist Organization – Jewish Agency (Status) Law (1952)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Peanut Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Vegetable Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Egg And Poultry Board (Production And Marketing) Law (1963)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Fruit Production And Marketing Board Law (1973)
Galilee Law (1988)
Negev Law (Amendment)(1988)
Defense Army Of Israel Ordinance (1948)
Defense Service Law (1949)
Discharged Soldiers (Return to Work) Law (1949)
Grants to Soldiers and their Families Regulations (1970)
Discharged Soldiers Law (1984)
Israel Defence Forces (Permanent Service) (Benefits) (Consolidated Version) (1985)
Discharged Soldiers (Adjustment Grant) Law (1988)
Defense (Emergency) Regulations (1945)
Amutot Law (1980)
Basic Law: Knesset (Amendment 9)(1985)

All are still on the statute books as far as I know and apply to "Israel proper"

THAT'S what you call Apartheid ? Oh, the horror !!!!!

I suppose the American law that only someone born here can become president, can also be considered Apartheid.

The best one is the one that allows a total stranger to come along and take your home when you are away on holiday and the Government will defend their actions

 

[Phoenall]

You don't understand, do you? During the second intifada, Jews were constantly getting attacked by Arabs. So when Israel does something to prevent further attacks, you deluded morons call it 'Apartheid'.
Same thing with the suicide bombings. During the second intifada, hundreds of Islamic scum from the West Bank, entered Israel to blow themselves up in populated cafes, restaurants, markets etc.. So Israel builds a wall, increases checkpoints and restrictions in the West Bank to prevent further bombings, and you deluded morons call it oppression. Every action has a reaction. You reap what you sow.

The ANC was far more deadly than the Palestinians against white targets in Apartheid South Africa. They even had militants that were based in neighboring countries that attacked. The white-ruled government was still considered an Apartheid government. Occupied, colonized and oppressed people will attack the oppressor. If you go to a place to dispossess and replace the inhabitants that's what happens. You reap what you sow.

The delusion is to think that going to Palestine and dispossessing the inhabitants would not have consequences.

The delusion is expecting Israel to do fuck all when Palestinians keep attacking. Take a look at the current situation; it appears that the Palestinians have reaped what they have sowed

It looked pretty bad for the non-whites in South Africa until the sanctions started being imposed. Israel has no reason to negotiate for a realistic solution as long as they can continue to rule over the non-Jews under its control. I can understand their position. Unfortunately, in these situations the oppressed have to make it uncomfortable for the oppressor or the master/slave (figuratively speaking) will never change. It's always been this way. You just observe the dynamic as a very strong partisan of one side. It's understandable but not coherent.

Monti, you are again comparing two very different situations.

What is the difference?

The Jews don't rule gaza and the west bank for starters, and even the UN says this.

 

[Phoenall]

Maybe a pro Palestinian can answer this question: If Israel is an Apartheid state, then where is the Apartheid in Israel proper?

Interesting question, according to the definition of the Crime of Apartheid which states, inter alia:

"For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:
i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;
d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;
e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;
f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1015/volume-1015-I-14861-English.pdf

The following Israeli laws have been shown to breach the above convention:

Emergency Land Requisition (Regulation) Law (1949)
Development Authority (Transfer Of Property) Law (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
State Property Law (1951)
Land Acquisition (Validation Of Acts And Compensation) Law (1953)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offenses And Jurisdiction) Law (1954)
Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960)
Israel Lands Administration Law (1960)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Agricultural Settlement (Restrictions On Use Of Agricultural Land And Water) Law (1967)
Registration Of Inhabitants (1949)
Law Of Return (1950)
Absentees’ Property Law (1950)
Nationality Law (1952)
Entry Into Israel (1952)
Prevention Of Infiltration (Offences And Jurisdiction) Law, (1954)
Population Registry Law (1965)
Identity Certificate (Possession And Presentation) Law (1982)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) Law (2003)
Nationality And Entry Into Israel (Temporary Order) (Amendment) Law (2005)
World Zionist Organization – Jewish Agency (Status) Law (1952)
Keren Kayemet Le-Israel Law (1953)
Peanut Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Vegetable Production And Marketing Board Law (1959)
Egg And Poultry Board (Production And Marketing) Law (1963)
Planning And Building Law (1965)
Fruit Production And Marketing Board Law (1973)
Galilee Law (1988)
Negev Law (Amendment)(1988)
Defense Army Of Israel Ordinance (1948)
Defense Service Law (1949)
Discharged Soldiers (Return to Work) Law (1949)
Grants to Soldiers and their Families Regulations (1970)
Discharged Soldiers Law (1984)
Israel Defence Forces (Permanent Service) (Benefits) (Consolidated Version) (1985)
Discharged Soldiers (Adjustment Grant) Law (1988)
Defense (Emergency) Regulations (1945)
Amutot Law (1980)
Basic Law: Knesset (Amendment 9)(1985)

All are still on the statute books as far as I know and apply to "Israel proper"

THAT'S what you call Apartheid ? Oh, the horror !!!!!

I suppose the American law that only someone born here can become president, can also be considered Apartheid.

That is an erroneous interpretation of the law. A natural born citizen is one born anywhere of at least one U.S. parent. That is not Apartheid as it does not discriminate against any specific race, ethnicity or religion. It is based on citizenship and how it is derived. Nice try though.

Apartheid states tend to have signs like this:

So nice of you to admit that the arab state of Palestine is apartheid, now can you find similar signs in Israel ?

 

[Challenger]

From the BDS website:
Much still to do

Governments, particularly in the West, continue their collusion with Israel’s regime, protecting it from sanctions and continuing business as usual with it, in most cases against the democratic will of their respective citizens.

Just as the Palestinian people continues to resist and struggle for its inalienable rights, people across the Arab world and beyond continue to struggle to build a better world. Anti-racist movements, anti-austerity struggles, campaigns for economic, social and ecological justice across the world are all united in our belief that it is possible and necessary to create a better world. If we want to succeed in this task, we must find ways to deepen and strengthen the links between our struggles.

Palestinian oppression and dispossession continues to intensify under Israel’s brutal regime of apartheid and settler colonialism, but BDS is a key and growing source of inspiration for the Palestinian people. The Palestinian BDS National Committee deeply appreciates the tireless efforts of BDS activists and BDS supporting organisations around the world. You inspire us and give us hope.

We urge international civil society, including trade unions, NGOs, grassroots movements, political parties and parliamentarians to join us in intensifying BDS by:

— Building broad and mass boycotts, divestment and sanctions campaigns against Israel and the international institutions and companies that support or otherwise profit from its crimes.

— Raising broad public awareness about the Israeli regime of occupation, settler colonialism and apartheid that oppresses the Palestinian people, and the moral and legal duty to resist it.

— Increasing pressure on governments and the UN to impose an immediate military embargo on Israel and to suspend all forms of cooperation and free trade agreements with Israel until it fully complies with its obligations under international law.

Ten years after the launch of BDS, isolating Israel’s regime has become more crucial than ever and more realistic than ever. We shall overcome.

One year since Israel s Gaza massacre and ten years since the launch of the BDS movement BDSmovement.net

 

[Challenger]

Another step in the right direction. Veolia sells its shares in the Jerusalem Light Rail and pulls out of Israel entirely.

http://whoprofits.org/content/veoli...-rail-and-completes-withdrawal-israeli-market

 

[Hollie]

The BDS movement is failing. Part 1


The BDS campaign (boycotts, sanctions and divestment) against Israel represents a malevolent, reactionary political force which is antisemitic in effect if not intent, in that it singles out Israel (and only Israel), the world’s only Jewish state and the state in the region with the best human rights record. Additionally, despite claims in the media to the contrary, prominent BDS leaders support violence and openly oppose the continued existence of the Jewish state within any boundaries.

Fortunately, however, the campaign is by and large failing miserably, despite the oxygen campaigners are given by pro-Palestinian media outlets. This blog’s new periodic review of BDS failures should provide the reader with rebuttals to routine claims by anti-Israel activists that the movement is gaining traction and achieving its desired result of isolating and economically crippling the state of Israel.

 

[Hollie]

Another step in the right direction. Veolia sells its shares in the Jerusalem Light Rail and pulls out of Israel entirely.

http://whoprofits.org/content/veoli...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

And tomorrow, Israel will still be successful, you and the Pali terrorists will still be a fraud and your self-hate will still be the object of ridicule.

Allah has played a cruel joke on you islamos.

 

[Kondor3]

Another step in the right direction. Veolia sells its shares in the Jerusalem Light Rail and pulls out of Israel entirely.

http://whoprofits.org/content/veoli...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Not to worry.

Something else will rush-in to fill the vacuum.

If not an Israeli company, then an American one.

Less business for the French, more business for us.

Thanks, Veolia.

 

[Kondor3]

From the BDS website: Much still to do ...

Yes.

Much.

 

[Challenger]

The BDS movement is failing. Part 1


The BDS campaign (boycotts, sanctions and divestment) against Israel represents a malevolent, reactionary political force which is antisemitic in effect if not intent, in that it singles out Israel (and only Israel), the world’s only Jewish state and the state in the region with the best human rights record. Additionally, despite claims in the media to the contrary, prominent BDS leaders support violence and openly oppose the continued existence of the Jewish state within any boundaries.

Fortunately, however, the campaign is by and large failing miserably, despite the oxygen campaigners are given by pro-Palestinian media outlets. This blog’s new periodic review of BDS failures should provide the reader with rebuttals to routine claims by anti-Israel activists that the movement is gaining traction and achieving its desired result of isolating and economically crippling the state of Israel.

...says UK media watch(aka CiF watch, aka BBC watch)...no surprise there.

 

[Challenger]

From the BDS website: Much still to do ...

Yes.

Much.

He who laughs last, laughs loudest. No sign of a "fat lady singing" yet.