House Intel Committee Rules Allow And Specify Subpoenas

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    House Committees do Oversight and Investigations, and House Resolutions create them, like for House Intelligence Committee. Rule 7 of the Intelligence Committee procedures is in the link.

    Rules of Procedure | Intelligence Committee

    Claiming that the House Intelligence had no valid authority to issue subpoenas is not in the rules. Then to the extent that the Committee found evidence that merited attention of the House in its entirety: It further had authority to issue a report, and specify the basis for making the report. In the matter of John Donald Trump of the famous Morning Business: The Report was offering basis for the House to consider the vote for a more formal Impeachment Inquiry.

    During all those proceedings, no one offered the defense now recently claimed by White House: That the subpoenas of the House Intelligence Committee were not germane, and had nothing to do with anything that had happened initiated by the Executive Branch.

    It is called Oversight, and in the matter: Led to a report for the House to consider. The rules allow for the Committee to so-report. It was not an authorized Impeachment Committee, but had the rules to create hearings and make a report.

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (Moses appears to have had mostly authority from Pharaoh: To initiate subjugation of the World in Deut 23: 19-20, per Acts 7. A Memorial Day of that has happened, Again: In the context of Holocaust.)
     
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    Impeachment is the "sole power of the House", the WHOLE HOUSE. Resolution 660 was required to issue valid subpoenas to the WH. If you don't believe me or Ken Starr then the courts would need to decide. The House has no means of enforcing anything.
     
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    Ken Starr has lost at impeachment already, having no particular grasp of the matter. Every House Member knows that, and knows that what it does for a lot of its work is called, "Oversight." That has basis in investigations. Those have the authorized subpoena powers in place, like at Intel. There is a Resolution in the rules which cites the authority,

    Two losers do not make a valid contrary opinion.

    Then note the contention, Republicans contend the process unfair on process grounds. Yet the Democrats were telegraphing a possible outcome of the Intel hearings, throughout. House Intel members caught the drift of a likely High Crime, misdemeanor, or bribery aggrandizement, maybe even treason. Because there is Constitutional Impeachment--like voted last year--they are easily derelict if they fail at powers they also have in place.

    That is called fair warning, even.

    There are lots of court cases supporting House subpoena powers. The White House did not go to court!
    The brand new law or case is not done ex post facto, and White House hasn't even filed a suit as you read this! There is no White House defense on the basis of un-lawful subpoena powers and warnings.

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (Would there even have been a Holocaust Memorial Day, had Moses been Impeached (Deut 23: 19-20, specifically condemning foreigners of Israel to economic subjugation--slavery widespread known about at the time?)
     
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    Turns out the House does have a means of enforcement.


     
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    How did the House enforce their invalid subpoenas?
    An invalid impeachment? Enjoy!
     
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    The subpoenas weren’t invalid. The impeachment wasn’t invalid.
     
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    1. The subpoenas are called invalid by the WH/DOJ and the dems didn't take it to court, so they are invalid until the courts say otherwise.
    2. The Articles are unconstitutional, according to Dershowitz and Starr:
    Article-1 "Abuse of Power" is NOT a "High Crime", its not even a crime.
    Article-2 "Obstruction of the House" was voided by the USSC when they took the Trump v House subpoenas for tax records. Trump does have due process rights to litigate whatever the fuck he wants to.
     
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    The White House has no authority to declare a subpoena invalid. The House does not need permission from the courts to engage in their constitutional authority. That would make them a subservient branch to the Judiciary and Executive.
     
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    Perhaps the Supreme Court should recall the Chief Justice and inform him he is participating in an invalid impeachment trial.
     
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    Lol.
     

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