Here’s a story that should be the lead across the nation:

[GreatDay]

Who gives a fuck about the goddamned ice-cap ?

Fucking asswipe...

still a chickenshit I see...

 

[NoNukes]

Who gives a fuck about the goddamned ice-cap ?

Fucking asswipe...

People in New York City and Miami might be interested.

Here in NYC, we're using excess 16-ounce soda containers as flotation devises.


Hey, NoNoodle, did you know that if you say 'gullible' very slowly, it sounds like 'oranges'?

So, Political Shite, how many times did you have to say it before it clicked?
Crusader Frank thanked you for that, you should think about the company you keep.

 

[NoNukes]

I asked the lady next to me on the train into NYC what she thought about the Ice Caps melting. How did this affect her as a New Yorker.

She changed seats

Smart lady.

 

[GreatDay]

When the results of this are facing them they will claim they warned about this.

Its just how these type of people think.

The ice has been melting for the past 14,000 years

Is this what you want us to go back to?

keep whistling past the graveyard and ignoring every scientists in the world, that should work out great

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I asked the lady next to me on the train into NYC what she thought about the Ice Caps melting. How did this affect her as a New Yorker.

She changed seats

Like NYers are really giving a fuck about ice melting in the summer.

 

[eflatminor]

BBC News - Arctic sea ice reaches record low, Nasa says

By all means, feel free to move away from the water's edge. Quickly now!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The LOLberals still believe that the earth is under our controla nd if we just do what they say, the earth will participate in the LOLberal agenda.

 

[Old Rocks]

Given the incredible ignorance displayed by the 'Conservatives' on a subject of science that is affecting us right now in the grocery store and where we live, why should any of us believe them on any subject?
All we see on this baord is a massive display of willfull ignorance from these people.

The very rapid melt of the Arctic Ice has profound effects on our climate. It changes the north-sourth extant of the waves in the jet stream, and slows the movement of the Rossby waves. That is the mechanism of the wider and wilder weather swings. The warming causing the melt of the ice is most definately from the manmade GHGs that we have put into the atmosphere. Nothing else accounts for that warming. There is no natural variation of any sort that can account for the increase in heat that we are seeing in the Arctic.

AGW Observer

Heavy precipitation increase and light precipitation decrease are expected globally suggesting more floods and droughts

How much do precipitation extremes change in a warming climate? – Shiu et al. (2012)

Abstract: “Daily data from reanalyses of the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) and the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP) are analyzed to study changes in precipitation intensity with respect to global mean temperature. The results are in good agreement with those derived from the Global Precipitation Climatology Project (GPCP) data by Liu et al., [2009], providing an independent verification for large changes in the precipitation extremes: about 100% increase for the annual top 10% heavy precipitation and about 20% decrease for the light and moderate precipitation for one degree warming in the global temperature. These changes can substantially increase the risk of floods as well as droughts, thus severely affecting the global ecosystems. Atmospheric models used in the reanalysis mode, with the benefit of observed wind and moisture fields, appear to be capable of realistically simulating the change of precipitation intensity with global temperature. In comparison, coupled climate models are capable of simulating the shape of the change in precipitation intensity, but underestimate the magnitude of the change by about one order of magnitude. The most likely reason of the underestimation is that the typical spatial resolution of climate models is too coarse to resolve atmospheric convection.”

Citation: Shiu, C.-J., S. C. Liu, C. Fu, A. Dai, and Y. Sun (2012), How much do precipitation extremes change in a warming climate?, Geophys. Res. Lett., doi:10.1029/2012GL052762.


Tropical cyclones might contribute to Arctic sea ice variability

Tropical cyclone effects on Arctic Sea ice variability – Scoccimarro et al. (2012)

Abstract: “In recent years increasing interest has been put on the role that intense Tropical Cyclones can play in the climate system. The following study is aimed at highlighting the effects of strong Tropical Cyclones over the Tropical Atlantic on the mean climate. Their composite effect on the surface winds is made apparent by a wide cyclonic perturbation that affects a large portion of the Atlantic tropical Ocean. Teleconnection patterns, which are visible in the Sea Level Pressure anomalies associated with this Tropical Composite Cyclone, appear to link the activity of the hurricanes to the Arctic Ocean. A significant negative correlation between the energy dissipated by hurricanes in the Tropical atmosphere and the sea ice cover along the Transpolar Drift Stream path, has also been found.”

Citation: Scoccimarro, E., S. Gualdi, and A. Navarra (2012), Tropical cyclone effects on Arctic Sea ice variability, Geophys. Res. Lett., 39, L17704, doi:10.1029/2012GL052987.


Permafrost carbon release could lead to significant warming even under less intensive emissions trajectories

Significant contribution to climate warming from the permafrost carbon feedback – MacDougall et al. (2012)

Abstract: “Permafrost soils contain an estimated 1,700 Pg of carbon, almost twice the present atmospheric carbon pool. As permafrost soils thaw owing to climate warming, respiration of organic matter within these soils will transfer carbon to the atmosphere, potentially leading to a positive feedback. Models in which the carbon cycle is uncoupled from the atmosphere, together with one-dimensional models, suggest that permafrost soils could release 7–138 Pg carbon by 2100 (refs 3, 4). Here, we use a coupled global climate model to quantify the magnitude of the warming generated by the feedback between permafrost carbon release and climate. According to our simulations, permafrost soils will release between 68 and 508 Pg carbon by 2100. We show that the additional surface warming generated by the feedback between permafrost carbon and climate is independent of the pathway of anthropogenic emissions followed in the twenty-first century. We estimate that this feedback could result in an additional warming of 0.13–1.69 °C by 2300. We further show that the upper bound for the strength of the feedback is reached under the less intensive emissions pathways. We suggest that permafrost carbon release could lead to significant warming, even under less intensive emissions trajectories.”

Citation: Andrew H. MacDougall, Christopher A. Avis & Andrew J. Weaver, Nature Geoscience, 2012, doi:10.1038/ngeo1573.


Causal decoupling between total solar irradiance and global temperature has appeared since 1960s

Evidence of recent causal decoupling between solar radiation and global temperature – Pasini et al. (2012) [FULL TEXT]

Abstract: “The Sun has surely been a major external forcing to the climate system throughout the Holocene. Nevertheless, opposite trends in solar radiation and temperatures have been empirically identified in the last few decades. Here, by means of an inferential method—the Granger causality analysis—we analyze this situation and, for the first time, show that an evident causal decoupling between total solar irradiance and global temperature has appeared since the 1960s.”

Citation: Antonello Pasini et al 2012 Environ. Res. Lett. 7 034020, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/7/3/034020.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Panic!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When the results of this are facing them they will claim they warned about this.

Its just how these type of people think.

The ice has been melting for the past 14,000 years

Is this what you want us to go back to?

keep whistling past the graveyard and ignoring every scientists in the world, that should work out great

How did the ice sheet in the picture melt?

Did the Geico caveman burn fossil fuels?

 

[eflatminor]

Given the incredible ignorance displayed ...

If you're so damn sure the waters are rising, move. Buy land inland...you'll make a killing as the beaches disappear, I'm sure.

You can be 100% sure you know what the weather will be like in the future but that does not give you the right to redistribute more wealth and to meddle further in free markets.

In other words, sell your car, buy a bicycle and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Given the incredible ignorance displayed by the 'Conservatives' on a subject of science that is affecting us right now in the grocery store and where we live, why should any of us believe them on any subject?
All we see on this baord is a massive display of willfull ignorance from these people.

The very rapid melt of the Arctic Ice has profound effects on our climate. It changes the north-sourth extant of the waves in the jet stream, and slows the movement of the Rossby waves. That is the mechanism of the wider and wilder weather swings. The warming causing the melt of the ice is most definately from the manmade GHGs that we have put into the atmosphere. Nothing else accounts for that warming. There is no natural variation of any sort that can account for the increase in heat that we are seeing in the Arctic.

AGW Observer

Heavy precipitation increase and light precipitation decrease are expected globally suggesting more floods and droughts

How much do precipitation extremes change in a warming climate? – Shiu et al. (2012)

Abstract: “Daily data from reanalyses of the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) and the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP) are analyzed to study changes in precipitation intensity with respect to global mean temperature. The results are in good agreement with those derived from the Global Precipitation Climatology Project (GPCP) data by Liu et al., [2009], providing an independent verification for large changes in the precipitation extremes: about 100% increase for the annual top 10% heavy precipitation and about 20% decrease for the light and moderate precipitation for one degree warming in the global temperature. These changes can substantially increase the risk of floods as well as droughts, thus severely affecting the global ecosystems. Atmospheric models used in the reanalysis mode, with the benefit of observed wind and moisture fields, appear to be capable of realistically simulating the change of precipitation intensity with global temperature. In comparison, coupled climate models are capable of simulating the shape of the change in precipitation intensity, but underestimate the magnitude of the change by about one order of magnitude. The most likely reason of the underestimation is that the typical spatial resolution of climate models is too coarse to resolve atmospheric convection.”

Citation: Shiu, C.-J., S. C. Liu, C. Fu, A. Dai, and Y. Sun (2012), How much do precipitation extremes change in a warming climate?, Geophys. Res. Lett., doi:10.1029/2012GL052762.


Tropical cyclones might contribute to Arctic sea ice variability

Tropical cyclone effects on Arctic Sea ice variability – Scoccimarro et al. (2012)

Abstract: “In recent years increasing interest has been put on the role that intense Tropical Cyclones can play in the climate system. The following study is aimed at highlighting the effects of strong Tropical Cyclones over the Tropical Atlantic on the mean climate. Their composite effect on the surface winds is made apparent by a wide cyclonic perturbation that affects a large portion of the Atlantic tropical Ocean. Teleconnection patterns, which are visible in the Sea Level Pressure anomalies associated with this Tropical Composite Cyclone, appear to link the activity of the hurricanes to the Arctic Ocean. A significant negative correlation between the energy dissipated by hurricanes in the Tropical atmosphere and the sea ice cover along the Transpolar Drift Stream path, has also been found.”

Citation: Scoccimarro, E., S. Gualdi, and A. Navarra (2012), Tropical cyclone effects on Arctic Sea ice variability, Geophys. Res. Lett., 39, L17704, doi:10.1029/2012GL052987.


Permafrost carbon release could lead to significant warming even under less intensive emissions trajectories

Significant contribution to climate warming from the permafrost carbon feedback – MacDougall et al. (2012)

Abstract: “Permafrost soils contain an estimated 1,700 Pg of carbon, almost twice the present atmospheric carbon pool. As permafrost soils thaw owing to climate warming, respiration of organic matter within these soils will transfer carbon to the atmosphere, potentially leading to a positive feedback. Models in which the carbon cycle is uncoupled from the atmosphere, together with one-dimensional models, suggest that permafrost soils could release 7–138 Pg carbon by 2100 (refs 3, 4). Here, we use a coupled global climate model to quantify the magnitude of the warming generated by the feedback between permafrost carbon release and climate. According to our simulations, permafrost soils will release between 68 and 508 Pg carbon by 2100. We show that the additional surface warming generated by the feedback between permafrost carbon and climate is independent of the pathway of anthropogenic emissions followed in the twenty-first century. We estimate that this feedback could result in an additional warming of 0.13–1.69 °C by 2300. We further show that the upper bound for the strength of the feedback is reached under the less intensive emissions pathways. We suggest that permafrost carbon release could lead to significant warming, even under less intensive emissions trajectories.”

Citation: Andrew H. MacDougall, Christopher A. Avis & Andrew J. Weaver, Nature Geoscience, 2012, doi:10.1038/ngeo1573.


Causal decoupling between total solar irradiance and global temperature has appeared since 1960s

Evidence of recent causal decoupling between solar radiation and global temperature – Pasini et al. (2012) [FULL TEXT]

Abstract: “The Sun has surely been a major external forcing to the climate system throughout the Holocene. Nevertheless, opposite trends in solar radiation and temperatures have been empirically identified in the last few decades. Here, by means of an inferential method—the Granger causality analysis—we analyze this situation and, for the first time, show that an evident causal decoupling between total solar irradiance and global temperature has appeared since the 1960s.”

Citation: Antonello Pasini et al 2012 Environ. Res. Lett. 7 034020, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/7/3/034020.

The picture is calling bullshit on your stupid theory

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Given the incredible ignorance displayed ...

If you're so damn sure the waters are rising, move. Buy land inland...you'll make a killing as the beaches disappear, I'm sure.

You can be 100% sure you know what the weather will be like in the future but that does not give you the right to redistribute more wealth and to meddle further in free markets.

In other words, sell your car, buy a bicycle and leave the rest of us alone.

I've been telling him to stop posting these warning on the Internet because the computers and servers require burning "Fossil fuels" to keep them running.

I also suggested that he try to move Earth further out away from the Sun by jumping up and down on it when the Sun is overhead.

At least that's doing something useful

 

[PoliticalChic]

People in New York City and Miami might be interested.

Here in NYC, we're using excess 16-ounce soda containers as flotation devises.


Hey, NoNoodle, did you know that if you say 'gullible' very slowly, it sounds like 'oranges'?

So, Political Shite, how many times did you have to say it before it clicked?
Crusader Frank thanked you for that, you should think about the company you keep.

Did you mistake this for the incontinence hotline?

 

[flacaltenn]

Someone ask NoNukes which scares him more.. The Ice melting in the Arctic --- or the 200 new Nuclear power plants that would (according to AGW theory) fix that tomorrow...

Anyone??

Actually, The ice in the Arctic Ocean was fairly well decimated in the 1930s too..

And O.R. --- Tropical Cyclones affecting Arctic Sea Ice????????????????????????????????????

C'mon man --- how much of an effect? How many does it take??? Do 4 small ones melt as much ice as ONE BIG ONE? Teleconnection patterns??????????

I don't doubt there's a correlation.. But I'm pretty certain --- THIS is not an answer to why the Ice is melting...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Someone ask NoNukes which scares him more.. The Ice melting in the Arctic --- or the 200 new Nuclear power plants that would (according to AGW theory) fix that tomorrow...

Anyone??

Actually, The ice in the Arctic Ocean was fairly well decimated in the 1930s too..

And O.R. --- Tropical Cyclones affecting Arctic Sea Ice????????????????????????????????????

C'mon man --- how much of an effect? How many does it take??? Do 4 small ones melt as much ice as ONE BIG ONE? Teleconnection patterns??????????

I don't doubt there's a correlation.. But I'm pretty certain --- THIS is not an answer to why the Ice is melting...

Do you know what happens to the temperature of a controlled environment when you add 200PPM of CO2?

That's right, nothing!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Someone ask NoNukes which scares him more.. The Ice melting in the Arctic --- or the 200 new Nuclear power plants that would (according to AGW theory) fix that tomorrow...

Anyone??

Actually, The ice in the Arctic Ocean was fairly well decimated in the 1930s too..

And O.R. --- Tropical Cyclones affecting Arctic Sea Ice????????????????????????????????????

C'mon man --- how much of an effect? How many does it take??? Do 4 small ones melt as much ice as ONE BIG ONE? Teleconnection patterns??????????

I don't doubt there's a correlation.. But I'm pretty certain --- THIS is not an answer to why the Ice is melting...

Progressives ran the US government back in the 30's too.

Progressives = Melting Ice caps

Correlation = causation

 

[flacaltenn]

Sorry to bust up this party with facts.. But we REALLY REALLY should get a grip and look at some data...

(for those who can't navigate a link --- It's NASA.GOV..)

Ice melts when the temp increases.. There were no pretty real-time satellite pixs in the 1930s, but i imagine if there WERE --- we wouldn't all be listening to panty wetting going on NOW about the melt.
ALL ANECTODAL and historical records indicate the melt in the mid 30s and 40s was substantially the same if not more severe than the recent trend..


If you stare at the graph and the trendlines for a minute or 2 --- you'll learn a bit about panicking about climate over a couple decades of observation.. Might help the incontinience problem we're seeing...

 

[flacaltenn]

Someone ask NoNukes which scares him more.. The Ice melting in the Arctic --- or the 200 new Nuclear power plants that would (according to AGW theory) fix that tomorrow...

Anyone??

Actually, The ice in the Arctic Ocean was fairly well decimated in the 1930s too..

And O.R. --- Tropical Cyclones affecting Arctic Sea Ice????????????????????????????????????

C'mon man --- how much of an effect? How many does it take??? Do 4 small ones melt as much ice as ONE BIG ONE? Teleconnection patterns??????????

I don't doubt there's a correlation.. But I'm pretty certain --- THIS is not an answer to why the Ice is melting...

Do you know what happens to the temperature of a controlled environment when you add 200PPM of CO2?

That's right, nothing!

Oh -- I'll concede there might be a measurable increase, but it's NOT a GREENHOUSE EFFECT.. For that you need a spectrally controlled light source, a surface that acts the same as the BlackBody props of the Earth, and an atmosphere DOMINATED by water vapor which inhibits heat uptake of the CO2... Also need an "atmosphere" temp gradient similiar to approaching the abs Zero of space.

I could do it for you -- but I'd have to RENT the "solar constant" light source and it would cost MORE than a 5th grade science to set it up...

The money spent on Solyndra ought to cover it..

 

[flacaltenn]

Someone ask NoNukes which scares him more.. The Ice melting in the Arctic --- or the 200 new Nuclear power plants that would (according to AGW theory) fix that tomorrow...

Anyone??

Actually, The ice in the Arctic Ocean was fairly well decimated in the 1930s too..

And O.R. --- Tropical Cyclones affecting Arctic Sea Ice????????????????????????????????????

C'mon man --- how much of an effect? How many does it take??? Do 4 small ones melt as much ice as ONE BIG ONE? Teleconnection patterns??????????

I don't doubt there's a correlation.. But I'm pretty certain --- THIS is not an answer to why the Ice is melting...

Progressives ran the US government back in the 30's too.

Progressives = Melting Ice caps

Correlation = causation

Dammit Man -- THAT'S IT... Channeling FDR has led to a TELECONNECTION PATTERN of Arctic Ice Melt... Alert the Arctic Climate Journal -- we've got a paper to write.. (Assuming you let me contribute of course).