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    US hardly dominates anymore in intellectual capital. It dominates in CONSUMER gimmicks. Not scientific innovation. Our STEM graduate schools are DOMINATED by other worlders coming here to do the innovation. We can't GET our kids to do it. THEY want to be MBAs and public policy specialists. THAT'S where the money and fame is after 4 DECADES of selling off our high tech domestic vertical infrastructure.

    Cheap labor is dead. Chinese know that. THEY are investing BILLIONS into automated manufacturing. They're tired of MOVING laborers from the country to the new cities and building dormitory housing for their factories. And it's not all that efficient. The 21st Century goods production will be done robotically and with AI.
     
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    F*ck me. Yet another literalist....You literalists are really beginning to bore and exhaust me....For how long are y'all going to put absolutely no real thought into your comments here? Will you never tire of trite responses and retorts?
     
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    I don't need those definitions. 20+ years in the entrepreneurial furnaces of Silicon Valley.

    I'm gonna borrow a factoid from WinterBorn to illustrate my SKEPTICISM as to our level of ABSOLUTE advantage...

    Learned from him that 40% of our Nobel prizes in hard science have come from immigrants since 2000 or so. Isn't that exactly what I LITERALLY :badgrin: told you above? That OUR KIDS are not choosing the hard paths to innovation and research?

    That "absolute advantage" is going down in flames. I've BEEN in the war zone. That's why I'm reporting as a literalist.

    I've watched the number of yearly IPOs slip far below the tech boom in the 60s thru 90s. I've BEEN in the graduate schools FILLED with foreigners. If it wasn't for THEM -- we''d have been burnt toast by now. There's no INSPIRATION or thrill to BE "the brains of the world".

    The work from my own head and hands is now throttled back because there is NO American tech foundry anymore. Can't find pieces and building to MAKE stuff if isn't used in a cell phone or a car. It's all consumer. Not Integrated circuits to build medical devices or physics tools UNLESS --- you're a giant corporation.

    That's the way globalization was SUPPOSED to work. That we kept our absolute advantage. But we should have remembered the times we made fun of Japanese junk and thought our TVs and consumer stuff COULD NEVER be topped.
     
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    Well, if that's the case, why did you respond to my comments so damned literally? It seems to me you do need to review the concept of comparative advantage because you gave it no consideration -- in your response -- neither explicitly (which I wouldn't expect) nor implicitly, which I would expect from someone who doesn't need to review the concept and whereby their remarks would show some sort of contextual application of the concept such that their response would not have been purely literally driven.

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    Neither your, my nor anyone else's personal observations and recollections are in any way indicative of what the U.S. economy enjoys as comparative advantages, absolute advantages, or distinctive competencies. Everyone sees and notices what they want to, but that doesn't at all mean what they see and notice corresponds to anything existential. It's astounding to me that, in the context of a line of discussion about what be the U.S.' economic strengths and weakness, you even mentioned them. Be that as it may....

    Really? You apparently are unwilling to share anything other than your own anecdotal observations, and quite frankly, given that you must necessarily be referring to a set of facts pertaining to at least 100 different programs, something more credible than anecdotal attestations is called for. Perhaps at some point I'll bother to check what be the ethnic diversity at the country's top graduate programs...I don't have the time right this moment to do so. (Truly, I can't say when I'll ever have time to do that level of fact confirmation, and I don't know if anyone's already done it and published the results of their research.)
    That's just a handful of STEM and business programs. I didn't bother to cite listings for biology, chemistry, geology, medicine, or any social science. I found some quick top-level figures for Harvard and they don't align with your anecdotal attestation. I also quickly found top-level graduate school information for MIT and they don't either. Ditto for Stanford.

    I seriously doubt that looking in even greater detail that I'm going to discover that foreigners outnumber, let alone outnumber to an extent that might be said to corroborate your claim of the schools/programs being "FILLED with foreigners." I wouldn't expect to find any U.S. school having 75%+ foreign student bodies, but to meet roughly the bar of "filled with foreigners," I'd expect to see something on the order of maybe 55% to 60% foreign graduate student matriculation rates in U.S. STEM programs and a similar rate of foreign tenured (or tenure track) professorships at those same institutions. Yet, my cursory "look see" revealed nothing even close to that predominating at the three institutions for which I found some, admittedly not directly congruent with your claim, figures.
     
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    Strippers and bartenders don't deserve to earn a living?
     

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