Healthcare corporations spend $3.4 BILLION DOLLARS to control Congress

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    Health providers, insurers and pharmaceutical companies have taken multiple approaches to winning over the federal lawmakers shaping the legislation. The health sector boosted its campaign contributions compared to the last presidential cycle, to $167.7 million in 2008 from $123.7 million in 2004. The various health industries have also steadily increased their lobbying efforts, from $448.1 million in 2007 to $484.4 million in 2008. So far this year, the sector has paid lobbyists $126.8 million to do its bidding on Capitol Hill. And those expenditures will only increase as the chairs of the five main committees working on health care legislation continue to iron out the details: Will the plan include a government insurance option? Will Congress mandate that all individuals, including the 47 million that are currently uninsured, purchase health insurance? And where will the money come from to pay for the reforms? The health sector--which includes some industries that are diametrically opposed to one another in their answers to these questions--eclipses all other sectors but the financial sector in lobbying spending since 1998, putting $3.4 billion into its efforts.
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    Gee, I wonder why they'd spend that much money.
     
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    there is no question the insurance industry is spending boocoos to prevent a public option and a nonprofit coop option....they do NOT want us to have a choice of not having to deal with them...or the competition.

    they spent boocoos to stop hillary care as well...
     
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    Couldn't be because as long as the government controls all the products that they don't want any more competition ... naw, that's just crazy talk.
     
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    please explain?
     
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    I'm tired of explaining it, so here's the really short version:

    1. The government decides what businesses can operate in the country.

    2. Businesses have to pay "fees" for almost everything.

    3. Only the most wealthy of businesses last long, those which start off with more money specifically.

    Works in the healthcare industry as well.
     
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    Socialized medicine does not work well. It never has. Government programs HAVE NEVER run well. They all waste money. It is in the design of the beast.

    If a Government program actually saved money their reward the next year would be a smaller budget. Thus no agency EVER tries to save a penny. It all MUST be spent. I know first hand how it works.

    Government run programs quickly become organizations bent on proving they need to exist. They become bloated with administrators and perks. They are slow and cumbersome. Hide bound and completely lacking in innovation or initiative.

    Government run programs ask for more money every year. If they involve disbursing or over seeing the spending of money on citizens they develop more and more costly paper work, they are riff with fraud if they are not over controlled as to be next to useless.

    If the Government takes over health care you can be assured that with in 3 years the costs will have doubled and will double every few years after that. The paper work will get more and more byzantine and complicated. Cost overruns will happen every year. Rationing will soon follow a take over by the Government.

    It is THE worst idea ever put forth.

    Guess what guys, you all point to the VA and the military health care system as some shining example. It is not. The VA is crippled and outdated. They operate on a shoe string budget and the policy is to find a way to deny procedures and services. With massive waiting lines and long waits for appointments.

    The military is similar but has to service the active military so it shunts non active and dependents off to civilian sources as much as they can. Medication and procedures in the VA and the military medical system are years behind the civilian sector. New procedures take years to be approved and then implemented into both systems.
     
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    so the health insurance companies, who are regulated by our govt, do not want any competition due to the fact that they are regulated and this is why they are spending billions to kill the public option and the nonprofit coop option?

    i still don't get it?

    they are even against a nonprofit coop option?

    If our government is as inefficient as some say, why do the insurance companies even think the gvt option, will be any kind of competition at all?

    Why is it that our government bids their inside cost analysis for particular things against the private sector and in many cases the private sector wins the bid...many air traffic control centers are now contracted through the private sector while many are run by the FAA still...even in Iraq, there were more private sector contractors than actual combat soldiers...at one time the military did all of those tasks and the private sector won out...?

    I guess I see hypocrisy in general..... that in this scenario, where the gvt is footing a great deal of our healthcare costs already, theough tax deductions for the employer and employee over 7.5% of gross, and through CHIP, healthcare for children, and through medicaid for the needy and through Medicare for the elderly, and through university grants for research and development etc etc etc already...only directly or indirectly paying insurance companies for a good deal of it, that the the gvt shouldn't compete against the private sector on this....let the better man win instead of cutting off our noses, before the race begins?

    let the best man win....or let them both survive, which is certainly possible.
     
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    Everytime you pay an insurance premium, you are paying your insurance company to lobby Congress, so they can deny you coverage and charge you more money.

    Is this a great country or what?
     

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