Healthcare as a human right?

[Ray9]

The notion that healthcare is a human right is gaining traction in United States and perhaps we should explore what that entails. The perception does not say that health is a human right and that’s an important distinction. Health is something that is dependent on a complex set of circumstances some under the control of the individual, some not.

A right is something granted to an individual requiring other individuals to honor as morally good and justified in the concept of its benefit to all from the weakest to the strongest. It’s kind of a legal precept of the Golden Rule. But rights and health are two very different things and there is ample confusion in the air surrounding our democracy.

What happens when one person’s right infringes on the right of another person? If one person smokes and that smoke damages the lungs of another person then the right of that other person to health should supersede the right of the person to smoke and it does in our society. But the smoker’s lungs are damaged and the healthcare needed to treat that damage is an infringement on rights of the individual who does not smoke because smoking and not smoking are under the control of both individuals.

So if the nose of one individual is thumbed at personal responsibility for self-gratification, how can that be a human right to force the others to pay for healthcare? Not that most Americans want to restrict the enjoyment and freedom of others; most say to each his own. But if Joe six-pack goes home every day and puts away twelve cans of sixteen ounce Budweisers, how can Joe’s human right to healthcare require someone else to pay for the carnage to his heart and liver?

This is the problem with defining healthcare as a human right. This is why Venezuela, once a rich and honorable country, is a failed state. The expense is prohibitive and healthcare workers expect to be paid not work for peanuts because some central authority dictates it. Healthcare quality will deteriorate quickly if healthcare is declared to be a human right.

There is no Horn of Plenty that exists on its own in the real world. It exists in Venezuela and Cuba and maybe some should go to those places and experience it. They will likely define healthcare differently.

 

[Third Party]

The notion that healthcare is a human right is gaining traction in United States and perhaps we should explore what that entails. The perception does not say that health is a human right and that’s an important distinction. Health is something that is dependent on a complex set of circumstances some under the control of the individual, some not.

A right is something granted to an individual requiring other individuals to honor as morally good and justified in the concept of its benefit to all from the weakest to the strongest. It’s kind of a legal precept of the Golden Rule. But rights and health are two very different things and there is ample confusion in the air surrounding our democracy.

What happens when one person’s right infringes on the right of another person? If one person smokes and that smoke damages the lungs of another person then the right of that other person to health should supersede the right of the person to smoke and it does in our society. But the smoker’s lungs are damaged and the healthcare needed to treat that damage is an infringement on rights of the individual who does not smoke because smoking and not smoking are under the control of both individuals.

So if the nose of one individual is thumbed at personal responsibility for self-gratification, how can that be a human right to force the others to pay for healthcare? Not that most Americans want to restrict the enjoyment and freedom of others; most say to each his own. But if Joe six-pack goes home every day and puts away twelve cans of sixteen ounce Budweisers, how can Joe’s human right to healthcare require someone else to pay for the carnage to his heart and liver?

This is the problem with defining healthcare as a human right. This is why Venezuela, once a rich and honorable country, is a failed state. The expense is prohibitive and healthcare workers expect to be paid not work for peanuts because some central authority dictates it. Healthcare quality will deteriorate quickly if healthcare is declared to be a human right.

There is no Horn of Plenty that exists on its own in the real world. It exists in Venezuela and Cuba and maybe some should go to those places and experience it. They will likely define healthcare differently.

Healthcare is a human responsibility.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Doctors will be government slaves so there won't be any good ones. Imagine Americans flying to india to get treatment.

Democrats aim to "nationalize" healthcare.

 

[DGS49]

You cannot have a RIGHT to someone else's efforts. Their RIGHT to tell you to go fuck yourself prevails. Even if s/he is a doctor, nurse, or other health practitioner. Even if the Gub'mint employs the doctor, your RIGHT is contingent on their willingness and availability, and is not absolute.

If Government provides a service (e.g., counsel to indigent criminal dependents), it is simply a matter of government being required to provide that service on a non-discriminatory basis.

If someone wants to propose and have passed a Constitutional Amendment to that effect, then healthcare COULD be a right, but failing that, Leftist politicians and "activists" claiming that "healthcare is a right" are talking out of their asses.

And yet, they make that claim constantly and NOBODY ever says they are LYING. But they are.

 

[captkaos]

You cannot have a RIGHT to someone else's efforts. Their RIGHT to tell you to go fuck yourself prevails. Even if s/he is a doctor, nurse, or other health practitioner. Even if the Gub'mint employs the doctor, your RIGHT is contingent on their willingness and availability, and is not absolute.

If Government provides a service (e.g., counsel to indigent criminal dependents), it is simply a matter of government being required to provide that service on a non-discriminatory basis.

If someone wants to propose and have passed a Constitutional Amendment to that effect, then healthcare COULD be a right, but failing that, Leftist politicians and "activists" claiming that "healthcare is a right" are talking out of their asses.

And yet, they make that claim constantly and NOBODY ever says they are LYING. But they are.

Ever had a Public Pretender represent you In court? If you did you were probably found guilty without trial on a plea deal. If you have to rely on a Govt Appointed Dr. in the future they will find the easiest way out with the least amount of effort for what they are paid. Just Like Public Pretenders. They just work for the Prosecutors office to keep the Docket moving. And the revolving door greased!

 

[Terri4Trump]

The notion that healthcare is a human right is gaining traction in United States......

When they say right, they mean it should be a free government benefit. Liberals pervert the English language

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Doctors will be government slaves so there won't be any good ones. Imagine Americans flying to india to get treatment.

Democrats aim to "nationalize" healthcare.

Why fly too India when Mexico is closer?

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Doctors will be government slaves so there won't be any good ones. Imagine Americans flying to india to get treatment.

Democrats aim to "nationalize" healthcare.

Why fly too India when Mexico is closer?

If good doctors flee to Mexico, that's where people will go who want thier services

 

[pknopp]

A right? No.

Something that decent countries make sure it's citizens can affordable access? Yes.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

"Decent countries"

Sounds like something trump would say

 

[Diver Diva]

Fact: Every single person in the United States (even non-citizens) has access to healthcare. Period, dot, end of story.

But health insurance is not the same as healthcare.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Fact: Every single person in the United States (even non-citizens) has access to healthcare. Period, dot, end of story.

But health insurance is not the same as healthcare.

Democrats are trying to force Americans to pay for healthcare for foreign nationals that they force Americans to buy.

 

[Tax Man]

"Decent countries"

Sounds like something trump would say

Like rump has a clue what decent is.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

"Decent countries"

Sounds like something trump would say

Like rump has a clue what decent is.

Hell ya.. NPC triggered

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The notion that healthcare is a human right is gaining traction in United States and perhaps we should explore what that entails. The perception does not say that health is a human right and that’s an important distinction. Health is something that is dependent on a complex set of circumstances some under the control of the individual, some not.

A right is something granted to an individual requiring other individuals to honor as morally good and justified in the concept of its benefit to all from the weakest to the strongest. It’s kind of a legal precept of the Golden Rule. But rights and health are two very different things and there is ample confusion in the air surrounding our democracy.

What happens when one person’s right infringes on the right of another person? If one person smokes and that smoke damages the lungs of another person then the right of that other person to health should supersede the right of the person to smoke and it does in our society. But the smoker’s lungs are damaged and the healthcare needed to treat that damage is an infringement on rights of the individual who does not smoke because smoking and not smoking are under the control of both individuals.

So if the nose of one individual is thumbed at personal responsibility for self-gratification, how can that be a human right to force the others to pay for healthcare? Not that most Americans want to restrict the enjoyment and freedom of others; most say to each his own. But if Joe six-pack goes home every day and puts away twelve cans of sixteen ounce Budweisers, how can Joe’s human right to healthcare require someone else to pay for the carnage to his heart and liver?

This is the problem with defining healthcare as a human right. This is why Venezuela, once a rich and honorable country, is a failed state. The expense is prohibitive and healthcare workers expect to be paid not work for peanuts because some central authority dictates it. Healthcare quality will deteriorate quickly if healthcare is declared to be a human right.

There is no Horn of Plenty that exists on its own in the real world. It exists in Venezuela and Cuba and maybe some should go to those places and experience it. They will likely define healthcare differently.

Yes, healthcare should be a right. Period. And your references to cuba and venezuela are dumb. The modern nations that have universal healthcare enjoy better health outcomes across the board than we do and spend less per capita on healthcare.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Fact: Every single person in the United States (even non-citizens) has access to healthcare. Period, dot, end of story.

That's not enough. It needs to be good access.

 

[Terri4Trump]

Ever had a Public Pretender represent you In court? If you did you were probably found guilty without trial on a plea deal. If you have to rely on a Govt Appointed Dr. in the future they will find the easiest way out with the least amount of effort for what they are paid. Just Like Public Pretenders. They just work for the Prosecutors office to keep the Docket moving. And the revolving door greased!

Great point. Government solicitors are the worst. Government mailing of packages, far worse than FedEx or UPS.

Government healthcare: Sucking the big one.

But remember: What they really mean is government paying for your healthcare insurance. The problem with that is that to cover everybody, the deductibles are so big that its just as bad as not having insurance at all. Worse actually because you are making payments. Its like buying a car and then buying car insurance with a $50,000 deductible for repairs. LOL.

 

[captkaos]

Ever had a Public Pretender represent you In court? If you did you were probably found guilty without trial on a plea deal. If you have to rely on a Govt Appointed Dr. in the future they will find the easiest way out with the least amount of effort for what they are paid. Just Like Public Pretenders. They just work for the Prosecutors office to keep the Docket moving. And the revolving door greased!

Great point. Government solicitors are the worst. Government mailing of packages, far worse than FedEx or UPS.

Government healthcare: Sucking the big one.

But remember: What they really mean is government paying for your healthcare insurance. The problem with that is that to cover everybody, the deductibles are so big that its just as bad as not having insurance at all. Worse actually because you are making payments. Its like buying a car and then buying car insurance with a $50,000 deductible for repairs. LOL.

Govt run healthcare would be an absolute disaster. Only the Drs. willing to accept The govts. low ball (net 90?) payment plans will even continue to practice. Which will mean less access to healthcare not more. It can't be done without rules and regulations on what type of care will be given to who. I can Imagine a sliding scale where Social elites get top notch care at the best facilities our money can pay for. And Joe the Plumber or Liz the landscaper has to wait for care based on availability and cost constraints. Imagine 30+% of hospitals going out of business! Because that is what would happen. Everybody knows that so.... they are just lying! I wonder why?

 

[captkaos]

The notion that healthcare is a human right is gaining traction in United States and perhaps we should explore what that entails. The perception does not say that health is a human right and that’s an important distinction. Health is something that is dependent on a complex set of circumstances some under the control of the individual, some not.

A right is something granted to an individual requiring other individuals to honor as morally good and justified in the concept of its benefit to all from the weakest to the strongest. It’s kind of a legal precept of the Golden Rule. But rights and health are two very different things and there is ample confusion in the air surrounding our democracy.

What happens when one person’s right infringes on the right of another person? If one person smokes and that smoke damages the lungs of another person then the right of that other person to health should supersede the right of the person to smoke and it does in our society. But the smoker’s lungs are damaged and the healthcare needed to treat that damage is an infringement on rights of the individual who does not smoke because smoking and not smoking are under the control of both individuals.

So if the nose of one individual is thumbed at personal responsibility for self-gratification, how can that be a human right to force the others to pay for healthcare? Not that most Americans want to restrict the enjoyment and freedom of others; most say to each his own. But if Joe six-pack goes home every day and puts away twelve cans of sixteen ounce Budweisers, how can Joe’s human right to healthcare require someone else to pay for the carnage to his heart and liver?

This is the problem with defining healthcare as a human right. This is why Venezuela, once a rich and honorable country, is a failed state. The expense is prohibitive and healthcare workers expect to be paid not work for peanuts because some central authority dictates it. Healthcare quality will deteriorate quickly if healthcare is declared to be a human right.

There is no Horn of Plenty that exists on its own in the real world. It exists in Venezuela and Cuba and maybe some should go to those places and experience it. They will likely define healthcare differently.

Yes, healthcare should be a right. Period. And your references to cuba and venezuela are dumb. The modern nations that have universal healthcare enjoy better health outcomes across the board than we do and spend less per capita on healthcare.

The notion that healthcare is a human right is gaining traction in United States and perhaps we should explore what that entails. The perception does not say that health is a human right and that’s an important distinction. Health is something that is dependent on a complex set of circumstances some under the control of the individual, some not.

A right is something granted to an individual requiring other individuals to honor as morally good and justified in the concept of its benefit to all from the weakest to the strongest. It’s kind of a legal precept of the Golden Rule. But rights and health are two very different things and there is ample confusion in the air surrounding our democracy.

What happens when one person’s right infringes on the right of another person? If one person smokes and that smoke damages the lungs of another person then the right of that other person to health should supersede the right of the person to smoke and it does in our society. But the smoker’s lungs are damaged and the healthcare needed to treat that damage is an infringement on rights of the individual who does not smoke because smoking and not smoking are under the control of both individuals.

So if the nose of one individual is thumbed at personal responsibility for self-gratification, how can that be a human right to force the others to pay for healthcare? Not that most Americans want to restrict the enjoyment and freedom of others; most say to each his own. But if Joe six-pack goes home every day and puts away twelve cans of sixteen ounce Budweisers, how can Joe’s human right to healthcare require someone else to pay for the carnage to his heart and liver?

This is the problem with defining healthcare as a human right. This is why Venezuela, once a rich and honorable country, is a failed state. The expense is prohibitive and healthcare workers expect to be paid not work for peanuts because some central authority dictates it. Healthcare quality will deteriorate quickly if healthcare is declared to be a human right.

There is no Horn of Plenty that exists on its own in the real world. It exists in Venezuela and Cuba and maybe some should go to those places and experience it. They will likely define healthcare differently.

Yes, healthcare should be a right. Period. And your references to cuba and venezuela are dumb. The modern nations that have universal healthcare enjoy better health outcomes across the board than we do and spend less per capita on healthcare.

You may be correct on some level but they are probably not offering healthcare to over 25million illegal immigrants! Ok 24,999,320... 680 were rounded up yesterday. All it takes is the will of a nation to remove those who aren't here legally! It makes room for more who want to come here legally.

The notion that healthcare is a human right is gaining traction in United States and perhaps we should explore what that entails. The perception does not say that health is a human right and that’s an important distinction. Health is something that is dependent on a complex set of circumstances some under the control of the individual, some not.

A right is something granted to an individual requiring other individuals to honor as morally good and justified in the concept of its benefit to all from the weakest to the strongest. It’s kind of a legal precept of the Golden Rule. But rights and health are two very different things and there is ample confusion in the air surrounding our democracy.

What happens when one person’s right infringes on the right of another person? If one person smokes and that smoke damages the lungs of another person then the right of that other person to health should supersede the right of the person to smoke and it does in our society. But the smoker’s lungs are damaged and the healthcare needed to treat that damage is an infringement on rights of the individual who does not smoke because smoking and not smoking are under the control of both individuals.

So if the nose of one individual is thumbed at personal responsibility for self-gratification, how can that be a human right to force the others to pay for healthcare? Not that most Americans want to restrict the enjoyment and freedom of others; most say to each his own. But if Joe six-pack goes home every day and puts away twelve cans of sixteen ounce Budweisers, how can Joe’s human right to healthcare require someone else to pay for the carnage to his heart and liver?

This is the problem with defining healthcare as a human right. This is why Venezuela, once a rich and honorable country, is a failed state. The expense is prohibitive and healthcare workers expect to be paid not work for peanuts because some central authority dictates it. Healthcare quality will deteriorate quickly if healthcare is declared to be a human right.

There is no Horn of Plenty that exists on its own in the real world. It exists in Venezuela and Cuba and maybe some should go to those places and experience it. They will likely define healthcare differently.

Yes, healthcare should be a right. Period. And your references to cuba and venezuela are dumb. The modern nations that have universal healthcare enjoy better health outcomes across the board than we do and spend less per capita on healthcare.

 

[dblack]

A right is something granted to an individual requiring other individuals to honor as morally good and justified in the concept of its benefit to all from the weakest to the strongest. It’s kind of a legal precept of the Golden Rule. But rights and health are two very different things and there is ample confusion in the air surrounding our democracy.

The term "human rights" has always seemed, to me, to run counter to the kinds of rights that I want government to protect - I supposed you'd call them civil liberties. A "right" that stipulates that some service or good must be provided by society (ie a demand that others give you something or do something on your behalf) is actually an attack on individual liberty. In my view, it's the opposite of the kinds of rights government should be concerned with.