Hate Crime Bill Set to Pass?

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    I wasn't talking about a specific law, I was talking about a certain type of talking, and thinking. One that if you aren't trained in it, its very hard to do. That and theres no point in speaking purely logically here. People won't get it, and besides that its not effective unless you start from the ground up.
     
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    It isn't a conviction for terrorism, it is a conviction for a THREAT of terror. Terroristic threat are actions taken to create fear and mayhem. So, terorism, only on a much smaller scale. In essence, a hate crime.

    I think most states prosecute terroristic threats. The charge dates back to the civil rights era, if not before. WAYYY before hate crimes legislation became "necessary."
     
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    YOu stated that obscenity causes no harm. Please prove this claim.

    Actually, there IS something implicitly threatening about burning something. That's why it would be charged as a terroristic threat. It is not a SYMBOL, at all, it is an implied threat of physical harm. Imminent harm, in fact.

    I'm guessing you haven't covered this in class yet.
     
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    Sadly, I have a far better idea of what we are discussing here than you have at any point in this thread, Mr. Future Lawyer.
     
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    No, I said tangible harm. I already explained it.

    No, actually theres not. Theres nothing threatening about burning a piece of paper.
     
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    Of course you do, in your own mind. Unfortunately what you think is significantly different from reality.

    Nobody was claiming that hate crime legislation would somehow make terroristic threats illegal. Not sure where you pulled that one from.
     
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    you see, there is the arrogance i spoke of. you think you are so fucking smart and that your logic is the only true logic. you think that (overall) only those trained in the law can understand the nuances of the law and converse about it. your arrogance is going to get the best of you. just because someone doesn't think like you, does not mean they are not a lawyer. it is the height of stupidity and arrogance to claim someone on the internet, whom you've never met, never seen practice law, is either a lousy lawyer, or went to a fucked up lawschool....you obviously have a god complex and if you don't change it, you won't go far.
     
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    Umm, no, I make logical mistakes as well. But yes, there is only one true logic. I also don't make that many of them.

    I wasn't talking about the law, I was talking about logic.

    See what you meant to say is that just because someone isn't a lawyer doesn't mean they can't think like me. Instead you incorrectly reversed the sufficient and the necessary conditions here.

    When did I claim anyone was a lousy lawyer? And I claimed someone went to a fucked up law school in the context of...wait for it...him explaining how his law school was fucked up. Yes, truly the height of arrogance.

    Is it perhaps as arrogant as doubting whether someone on the internet, whom you've never met, etc, etc, has ever been to law school, as you and Catz did?

    Or perhapsas arrogant presuming to give advice to someone on the internet as you've been attempting to do?

    Or perhaps as arrogant as attempting to describe my entire psyche as Tech attempted to do?

    Yeah. But I'm the arrogant one here :lol::lol:
     
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    By the way. Me thinking I'm good at logic isn't me being arrogant. I get paid to be good at logic, and I am. If you think being aware of ones own strengths is arrogant, then go for it. Your views have little to no credibility in my eyes, as you've really shown a great deal of ignorance and pettiness.
     
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    if you can't consider any other logic than your own and you dismiss all other logic, you will fail at a being a lawyer. a good lawyer is confident that he is right, but he does not dismiss outright his opponent's argument, in fact he or she explores it, knows it and can predict it. your attitude is one that dismisses outright, and for that you will miss vital issues and harm your cases and your clients.

    and yes, i am the pot calling the kettle, i try and learn more each day and continue striving to better myself...
     

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