Hamas announces: No Gaza border protests this Friday - report

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    Hamas announced on Thursday that there will not be 'March of Return' this Friday, according to a Channel 13 report. This would be the first time that the protests are cancelled since March 2109, over half a year ago.

    According to the report, the Hamas announcement came in an attempt to deescalate the situation following over 400 rockets that were launched at Israel by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad as a response to IDF operation 'Black Belt' that killed PIJ commander Bahaa Abu al-Ata.

    Hamas announces: No Gaza border protests this Friday - report

    I wonder how Pij will respond to this.
     
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    RE: Hamas announces: No Gaza border protests this Friday - report
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    I'm not sure that the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) is all that effective; paper tiger among Islamic terrorist operators.

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    As I look at the Global Terrorist Database (GTD) (search term: PIJ) over the entire year of 2018, I noticed that not a single fatality/casualty could legitimately be attributed to them.
    PIJ Activity over Time.png CY 2018 PIJ Activities.png

    To say, as some write, that the PIJ is the second largest terrorist group in the Gaza Strip is to actually obscure the fact that there is no other group of any appreciable significance to even be mentioned. The PIJ is estimated to have around 6,000 tactical operatives and 9,000 activists performing direct support (or 15,000 assets in total). Yet they have an exceptionally dismal record.

    So, I would not count on much of a response or any retaliatory action of any consequence. They might make some sort of symbolic effort, but nothing dramatic.

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    What are the casualties by Hamas compared to the casualties by Israel?
     
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    Well, what are the casualties by Hamas compared to the casualties by Israel?

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    RE: Hamas announces: No Gaza border protests this Friday - report
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    This is such an unbelievably naive comment you have made here.

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    This is not a "tit•for•tat" (infliction of an injury or insult in return for infliction of an injury or insult) situation (absolute compliance to strict proportionality). The case of proportionality (equivalent retaliation) is not the same as a case self-defense.

    NOTE: The Secretary-General’s High-level Panel Report on Threats, Challenges and Change (A/59/565 2 DEC 2004) did not come to a consensus on the issue; even with all the extensive literature on the subject.

    Article 4 • International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)

    1 . In time of public emergency which threatens the life of the nation and the existence of which is officially proclaimed, the States Parties to the present Covenant may take measures derogating from their obligations under the present Covenant to the extent strictly required by the exigencies of the situation, provided that such measures are not inconsistent with their other obligations under international law and do not involve discrimination solely on the ground of race, colour, sex, language, religion or social origin.​
    Action taken by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) which presents threats or involve act against to the peace in Israel, breaches of the peace which endanger the life of the nation or the existence of the State of Israel, as well as other acts of aggression" (prohibited by the Charter), triggers the case that activates → "the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence." Such conditions of threatening acts by the HoAP make it necessary (in the reality of the real-world) for the law of self-defense needs to include and reinforce the mechanisms of peace for Israel; not create advantages for the HoAP aggressors.


    The The Secretary-General’s High-level Panel Report on Threats, Challenges and Change did reaffirmed that the law of self-defense included the concept of an anticipatory self-defense, provided the threat was imminent.

    The principles of "necessity and proportionality" still pose questions beyond concensus. It revolves around the need for the response to the acts of aggression to be of such a magnitude ass to qwell the hostile activity for a reasonable amount of time. If the response to rocket fire only deters another volley until the next day, or a week, then clearly, the next response should be of a greater magnitude as the previous response.


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    Deflection city. What does this have to do with my post?
     
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    RE: Hamas announces: No Gaza border protests this Friday - report
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    And you lend us again, another unresponsive set of comments.

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    I suppose you cannot see that your comparison casual (ie "casualties by Hamas compared to the casualties by Israel") is an expression on the "proportionality." And that your question is not focused at all given that the history of Israeli attacks:

    ◈ Has not produced the direct military advantage anticipated (capitulation of the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) in favor of peace) in over a half century. Meaning the Israeli strikes are not devistating enough to achive that desired goal (peace).

    ◈ The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.​

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    I see that you are not able to discern the obvious. Remember, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) set the requirement themselves: "wipe them out — man, woman, and child."

    The Secretary-General’s High-level Panel was intended to answer the impossible question of "proportionality" in cases where a decisive victory was the goal.

    The practical question is: How many casualties, how much damage and how much destruction do the Israelies have to inflict in order to guarantee a victory such that Israel will not peace could be restored? The obvious answer is that Israel must:

    ◈ Inflict more casualties.

    ◈ Inflict more damage.

    ◈ Inflict more destruction.​

    The question of casualties totally irrelevant to the conflict. The HoAP already set the requirement for victory: "Wipe them out — man, woman, and child." So no number of casualties is disproportionate to victory, as establish by the HoAP.
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    You’re just frustrated that Rocco , as usual , demolished your so called argument .
    Israel has ZERO reason to target civilians. The same can not be said for Palestinians
     
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    Partition and colonization are illegal. The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from this foreign aggression.
     

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