GOP should change the party name

[Annie]

sure. I read this post from you.



and thought that you were taking the whole of my post literally. thats why I replied with this


then you posted this...



thats where I got confused. I thought you would have already known that I was writing an opinion piece.

Ok, we are talking past each other here, I ALWAYS ASSUMED YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR OPINION, YOU WERE NOT CITING ANYTHING ELSE. The problem I had was your generalization about the GOP, yet I had already posted differently as a POV, mine of course, and several Republican members of Congress have also. Likewise several Democrats have come out on the other sidel.

Why would you take this issue as for tarring GOP?

 

[SmarterThanYou]

Ok, we are talking past each other here, I ALWAYS ASSUMED YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR OPINION, YOU WERE NOT CITING ANYTHING ELSE. The problem I had was your generalization about the GOP, yet I had already posted differently as a POV, mine of course, and several Republican members of Congress have also. Likewise several Democrats have come out on the other sidel.

Why would you take this issue as for tarring GOP?

because of the initiators and authors of this bill being pushed through.

 

[Annie]

because of the initiators and authors of this bill being pushed through.

I know that you are not pro-abortion, but the same could be said for the other party. Still there are dissenters there, like myself.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

I know that you are not pro-abortion, but the same could be said for the other party. Still there are dissenters there, like myself.

agreed, which is why I consider what I wrote an opinion piece. It was designed to inflame a bit, make my point, and cause people to think. I'm glad it worked.

 

[Annie]

agreed, which is why I consider what I wrote an opinion piece. It was designed to inflame a bit, make my point, and cause people to think. I'm glad it worked.

Well it worked on me, while I don't agree that they should pull the feeding tube, I don't think the feds should be involved. As I posted before, it reinforces the bad law logic of Roe V Wade.

 

[Avatar4321]

because of the initiators and authors of this bill being pushed through.

And we are darn proud of it. Nothing hypocritical about it. The Federal government acts as a check for the states and the states act as a check for the Federal government. Balance of power. In fact, its the responsiblities of the legislatures to change the law if they dont like how the court is ruling. Thats how the court is checked.

Our government has the responsibility to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Court is taking that right from Terri. There is nothing hypocritical for promoting life. And contrary to your assertions there is no evidence that she is being tortured at all staying alive.

All and all this speaks more about you than it does us. You fight for the right to murder. we fight for the right for life. The right to life trumps states rights as far as im concerned. Regardless though the courts have been rejecting the states legislative body so the state and the federal government are aligned. its the court that is rogue.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

And we are darn proud of it. Nothing hypocritical about it. The Federal government acts as a check for the states and the states act as a check for the Federal government. Balance of power. In fact, its the responsiblities of the legislatures to change the law if they dont like how the court is ruling. Thats how the court is checked.

I beg to differ. the 9th and 10th amendments state SPECIFICALLY against that treasonous crap.

Our government has the responsibility to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Court is taking that right from Terri. There is nothing hypocritical for promoting life. And contrary to your assertions there is no evidence that she is being tortured at all staying alive.

The courts did NOT take that away. They sided with the husband after reviewing the evidence. You're just crying over spilt milk.

All and all this speaks more about you than it does us. You fight for the right to murder. we fight for the right for life. The right to life trumps states rights as far as im concerned. Regardless though the courts have been rejecting the states legislative body so the state and the federal government are aligned. its the court that is rogue.

spin spin spin. You are in favor of violating the constitution because you don't like the way the state courts decided. You are not a constitutionalist, you're a totalitarian. the fight for life or otherwise is only you trying to paint yourself as noble when you're being far from it at this point. The court followed the laws that jeb bush himself has signed. whos the rogue?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Don't wrap yourself in the flag, mr. pure socialism.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

Don't wrap yourself in the flag, mr. pure socialism.

tough to beat that constitution, isn't it? :read: :usa:

 

[rtwngAvngr]

tough to beat that constitution, isn't it? :read: :usa:

don't pretend you care when you're a communist at heart.

 

[musicman]

And we are darn proud of it. Nothing hypocritical about it. The Federal government acts as a check for the states and the states act as a check for the Federal government. Balance of power. In fact, its the responsiblities of the legislatures to change the law if they dont like how the court is ruling. Thats how the court is checked.

Our government has the responsibility to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Court is taking that right from Terri. There is nothing hypocritical for promoting life. And contrary to your assertions there is no evidence that she is being tortured at all staying alive.

All and all this speaks more about you than it does us. You fight for the right to murder. we fight for the right for life. The right to life trumps states rights as far as im concerned. Regardless though the courts have been rejecting the states legislative body so the state and the federal government are aligned. its the court that is rogue.

I never looked at it this way, Avatar. This could be the first time in sixty years that the XIVth Amendment has been applied as intended!

 

[Avatar4321]

spin spin spin. You are in favor of violating the constitution because you don't like the way the state courts decided. You are not a constitutionalist, you're a totalitarian. the fight for life or otherwise is only you trying to paint yourself as noble when you're being far from it at this point. The court followed the laws that jeb bush himself has signed. whos the rogue?

Im not violating the Constitution. im exercising my constitutional right for free speech and voicing my support of the principles of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You are trying to take those away from Terri. You are the one supporting the murder of the innocent and pure. You are the one denying the people the right to prevent murder, to prevent justice. Your objection to the Democratic process in favor of a rogue judge is totalitarianism. It totalitarian to kill the weak and infirm of society.

We have a Republic and it can only be maintained upon the principles of virtue. One of those is respect for life. When our Republic refuses to stand up in favor of life and liberty, our republic will fall. Thankfully a majority of people still support life and liberty. They arent in favor of taking the life and liberty of those who arent perfectly healthy.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

I never looked at it this way, Avatar. This could be the first time in sixty years that the XIVth Amendment has been applied as intended!

lets read this in context, shall we?

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

this has been done over the course of 5 years.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

Im not violating the Constitution. im exercising my constitutional right for free speech and voicing my support of the principles of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You are trying to take those away from Terri. You are the one supporting the murder of the innocent and pure. You are the one denying the people the right to prevent murder, to prevent justice. Your objection to the Democratic process in favor of a rogue judge is totalitarianism. It totalitarian to kill the weak and infirm of society.

im so dizzy from all this spin.

the facts of the case ARE, terri said she did not want to be kept alive this way and the courts, AFTER being designated by the husband because of the parents challenge, ruled the same way.

We have a Republic and it can only be maintained upon the principles of virtue. One of those is respect for life. When our Republic refuses to stand up in favor of life and liberty, our republic will fall. Thankfully a majority of people still support life and liberty. They arent in favor of taking the life and liberty of those who arent perfectly healthy.

I refer you to the 10th amendment. let me post it for you.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

lets read this in context, shall we?

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

this has been done over the course of 5 years.

the process isn't finished.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

the process isn't finished.

only because the feds are now intervening into the states rights and territories of judicial jurisdiction. This law won't stand. It will get challenged all the way to the USSC and be determined to be unconstitutional and all you'll have done is denied terri's wish of not wanting to be kept alive this way.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

only because the feds are now intervening into the states rights and territories of judicial jurisdiction. This law won't stand. It will get challenged all the way to the USSC and be determined to be unconstitutional and all you'll have done is denied terri's wish of not wanting to be kept alive this way.

that's the process.

Why do you accept it as fact that she wanted to die? It's hearsay from her possible assailant.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

only because the feds are now intervening into the states rights and territories of judicial jurisdiction. This law won't stand. It will get challenged all the way to the USSC and be determined to be unconstitutional and all you'll have done is denied terri's wish of not wanting to be kept alive this way.

that's the process.

Why do you accept it as fact that she wanted to die? It's hearsay from her possible assailant.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

that's the process.

Why do you accept it as fact that she wanted to die? It's hearsay from her possible assailant.

not a possible assailant. THATS an unsubstantiated allegation WHICH was investigated early on by the law enforcement authorities and determined baseless. Furthermore, the court listened to all witnesses and testimony and agreed that this was terris wish.

 

[musicman]

lets read this in context, shall we?

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

this has been done over the course of 5 years.

Help me understand something here, Smarter. Don't the House's actions constitute something more along the lines of a stay than an imperious overruling of the state court? And doesn't that stay seem to act in the spirit of ensuring, beyond any conceivable doubt, that Terri receives due process? I don't see the harm or the impropriety. This sounds like precisely the kind of situation the XIVth Amendment was created for - certainly more so than protecting us from the scourge of nativity scenes.