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freeandfun1 said:Current oil prices are NOT being affected by what is happening in the ME. They are being affected by what is going on in Russia.
DOH!
Concerns about terrorist attacks on oil production facilities in Saudi Arabia and Iraq have increased the speculative demand for oil. Continuing political instability in Venezuela, where President Hugo Chavez faces a recall election, has added to nervousness in the markets.
Kathianne said:And once Sadr is gone, it will go back up. It must suck to be you, just hoping for bad news!
wade said:And according to the report I read, it will now be "at least a year" before Iraqi oil production levels reach 50% of pre-war levels.
The problem is the oil pipeline and refineries are just such easy targets to hit, and so very hard to defend.
"Expecting" is different from "hoping" Kathi. I do not hope these things will happen, but I do not fool myself with wishful thinking when I know better.
As long as you and Americans in general, expecially in the government, pretend that the Arabs are just like us deep down inside, and therefore can be reasoned with, things are nearly hopeless.
And note that I never said anything about the Iraq situation being the cause of high oil prices. The problem is ever increasing demand for oil in general. The oil issue w.r.t. Iraq had to do with Iraq's future stability, not the world price of oil.
Wade.
Kathianne said:You are being disingenuous, Wade. You are hoping for bad news. But never the matter, to deal with 'knowing better' arguement, I think that Sadr's days are numbered, and just like the calls of 'US won't turn over sovereignty, this too will fail to live up to the hype. My best guess is that Iraq will surpass pre-invasion #'s within the next 6 months.
wade said:Why would I hope for bad news? That is just silly.
You're probably right Sadr's days are probably numbered. But, another radical will replace him within a few months.
And once "coalition" forces are withdrawn to any significant extent, their will be bloody civil war and a religious fundamentalist regime will rise to power in Iraq. The Iraqi people will never really support any govenment that they see as cooperative with the USA.
And of course, you were expecting the Iraqi oil production would surpass pre-war levels in the next couple of months just a week ago...
You just have faith in the Iraqi peoples ability to see reason as we see reason, I do not.
Wade.
ScreamingEagle said:Or are you implying that we will forever be at odds with all Arabs?
wade said:I'm saying the Islamic culture will never appreciate or respect western style democracy. They will hate us for forcing it upon them. Yes it is silly, but they are not rational by our standards.
Wade.
wade said:Notice the oil progress you refered to is now gone?
Wade.
wade said:Why would I hope for bad news? That is just silly.
JIHADTHIS said:So what's your answer vis a vis Muslims/Arabs and "the west"?
wade said:First we have to offer them some assurance that we do not wish to destroy their culture. We need to accept that Islam will always oppose having it's people live under a western style democracy.
Second, we need to convince them that if they force the issue, we can and will destroy their culture.
Wade.
JIHADTHIS said:Then why do they keep moving en masse to Western countries and trying to impose their lifestyle/culture on us? I agree with your assesment, but it is moronic in a sense. "We don't want to live under western style democracy, but we will move to the west".
wade said:Money. They want to move here and make money. I some cases, they want freedom from the constraints of Islam as well, at at least those within whatever specific country they are from. Remember, Islamic sects treat one another badly, and differ on their specific beliefs about what is central to being a Moslim.
Wade.
wade said:First we have to offer them some assurance that we do not wish to destroy their culture. We need to accept that Islam will always oppose having it's people live under a western style democracy.
Second, we need to convince them that if they force the issue, we can and will destroy their culture.
Wade.
freeandfun1 said:When have we tried destroying their culture?
wade said:We do it by introducing our ways to their people, by showing them alternatives.
You may be right, their goal might be to come here to expand their religion, but I think those that come here are mostly the less faithful who just want a better life.
Wade.