Give us Your tired.. yearning to Obey the Law.

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    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

    "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
    EMMA LAZARUS; FAMOUS POEM :"THE NEW COLOSSUS"

    I dare say there are many Americans today who's relatives long ago heard those words and came to this nation and are now part of the very fabric that makes this nation truley great. They stood in line and waited their turn to live the Ameircan dream so that one day their family could realize a life free to explore the bounds where their mind would take them. Many of those same immigrants helped craft the very laws we all live under today, they brought with them a sense of pride in their heritage and yet determined to become part of the American story and obey it's laws. This issue here in my state is not one of race no matter how much many would like it to be to promote hatred and divide us. The simple fact is that Arizona borders Mexico and the vast majority of those that enter this nation illegally are from that nation and from nations to the South of Mexico. No this issue is a moral one, and one that say's are we a nation of laws, a nation where the laws of the land are applied equally to it's citizens or are we a nation that is afraid to apply them because of a few who fear some word placed upon them for doing so. Think for a moment, what kind of message we send to ALL OF THOSE people, black, brown, white, doesn't matter who took the time to obey the laws of the land to come here to live that dream and did the hard work necessary to become citizens of this great nation if we simply just look the other way and allow people to enter our nation without enforcing the law. If this anger were real it would have been directed at the very laws that this bill intends to enforce and those are the same FEDERAL LAWS that have been in place for years and not an Arizona legislative bill who's sole purpose is to actually do what the Federal Govt. has chosen not to do. Think for a moment, if you will, in not enforcing the laws the Federal Govt. has allowed illegal immigration to become an institution in this nation , so much so that when that institution becomes threatened in anyway, people lash out ( Bill Mahr or whatever his name is for instance). In the ingorance of their duty to uphold the law the Federal Govt. has allowed licensed slavery to become the norm in this nation, where a person can come to this nation under the pretense of wanting to build a better life for themselves and yet do not even earn minimum wage and are allowed to be used as human cargo by the very people who sumggle them in to this nation for profit. That is what people support when they call out laws that simply mean to enforce existing Federal Law. Which I might add has years of legal backing to support State, Local , and County authorities doing just what the Arizona Law supposes to do. If you have passion for the people that wish to come here and work then direct your attention to Federal Law itself not the Law Officer that enforces it. It's a sad day when Americans have become such that we choose selectivly choose what laws apply to who and when. So when you start to toss around the R word , think of the number of Americans that have died as a result of people that had we just taken them time to enforce out own laws, would be here today, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, and Fathers, and yes Americans of all races and creeds.


    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
    at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
    officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
    officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
    States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
    willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
    imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
    imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
    8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

    So as I see it those opposed to SB-1070 are basically saying that the United States should have no borders at all? and those here illegally even if they are gang members (MS-13), drug dealers, rapists, terrorists, or even the poor migrant worker, doesn't matter because its a law that you as an opponent are oppsed too?
     
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    Very eloquently said!

    I dare say that your words fall on many deaf ears. Though you post is accurate and very well spoken, the divide in this country is to great and one side will not listen to reason.
     
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    Thank you Reidlr, you know your post sort of reminded me of something I was talking about in here a little bit ago. I called it the team jersey concept, in that so many are eager to just wear the team jersey they sometimes leave reason on the sideline. I like to believe that Americans are for the most part a good and decent people and believe in fairness. You see thats where at least IMHO where the two sides tend to seperate myself included I suppose. Many would not disagree with the fairness of allowing for people who wish to come here legally and build a better life for themselves and their family, where it tends to go a little sideways if you ask me is the message that advocating for those that do not bother to stand in line but just ignore the law and do so anyway at the expense of those that are obeying the law. I would invite anyone to look at Lady Justice , the concept should be a "blind" one in that the laws are applied EQUALLY and fair to all, is the basic reason why I believe that calling ths a race issue is completly NOT what it is about at all, it is about fairness and expecting people to obey our laws. Each year many people from many nations take the time to obey our laws and go through the process of citizenship and they are from many nations and many ethnic backgrounds, when those that advocate on behalf of illegal immigration call out laws in the name of race they are also condemning all those who have bothered to obey our laws of ALL ETHNIC backgrounds, now thats a race issue if you really wanted one. If you want another lets talk about the institution that illegal immigration has become , so much so that most illegals are no more than American slaves living in poverty making little if any contribution to the community because they live in fear and are taken advantage of by their own. Want to know a good reason to enforce immigration , how about ending this slavery once and for all? See what I mean, it's a real shame at least IMO that some only see this through a single lens and one day will wake up to a United States that because of our Govts. apathy no different than the raging gun battles played out on the streets of border towns all over Mexico.
     
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    Give us your tired... yearning to cross the Sabine River ILLEGALY and take half of our southern neighbor's land by brute force...

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    Unfortunatly, what we are seeing today is a bi-product of our two party system. "Reason can never be popular. Passions and feelings may become popular, but reason will always remain the sole property of a few eminent individuals." Johann Wolfgang Goethe I believe you are right in assuming that we are a good people and I hope that fairness is still a virtue held by many in this country. The problem lies in the inability of most to see reason. Reason has been replaced and is now expressed solely through the political views of the party in which an individual has aligned himself with. I do, however, have to disagree in that illegal aliens are comparable to slaves. I must presume that not one single slave asked for his/her involuntary servitude. The current illegal alien has voluntarily entered our country of his/her on free accord and takes what he/she has offered to them. You are very correct in that the current immigration problem in this country is a simple matter of law. The rule of law is not political or racial, it is blind and true. The rule of law is that which keeps a country free from aggression and abuse. Unfortuanly, passions and politics have replaced law and now we are dealing with the consequences of our actions or lack there of. Those that say the new Arizona law is racial or "unfair" have allowed their passions and thier political views cloud their judgment. They no longer view the immigration laws utilizing reason and the rule of law, but rather they choose to politicize it. My only fear is that this country is on a path that will collide with history. Our country was divided due to political views at one time and it reached a penacle that resulted in a war. I fear that our two party system is again failing the American people and is leading us down a path that leads only to struggles and heartache. I conclude with this quote from our 16th President addressing a fragile United States that had been divided by political views and ideals.

    "...in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution, the Union of these States is perpetual. Perpetuity is implied, if not expressed, in the fundamental law of all national governments. It is safe to assert that no government proper ever had a provision in its organic law for its own termination. Continue to execute all the express provisions of our National Constitution, and the Union will endure forever..." President Abraham Lincoln's First Inaugural Address March 4, 1861.
     
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    Navy, you are one of the - if not THE - best poster on this board. I'm just glad you're back. Your posts are so readable - even those who disagree with you should recognize an honorable man when they read your posts.
     
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    This thread is a joke.

    The vast majority of white Americans living in the american Southwest are direct descendants of thousands of illegal american immigrants who never "stood in line and waited their turn to live in Mexico".

    America owes her own existence as a nation and her entire territorial expansion to unauthorised/illegal immigration.

    America never had a problem violating Mexico's immigration laws as well as her own laws. What we see today is the american federal government CHOOSING not to enforce them in order to please some segments of the american society.

    This grotesque caricature of a law-abiding nation being victimised by hordes of illegal immigrants in the 21th century is just cheap nationalistic crap.
     
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    Well stated, Navy. And to wit the maxim that We are a nation of LAW, not of Men.
     
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    Fuck that!

    Stay the hell home all you huddled masses, we got enough people here already.

    No vacancy, we're full!
     
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    America, Mexico and every country in the world LOVE illegal immigration... provided they are not on the receiving end of it.

    They have no problem with breaking foreign or domestic laws as long as they deem illegal immigration to be in their best interest.

    Legal arguments that portray illegal immigrants as law breakers harming righteous, law-abiding societies is just a smokescreen, mindless propaganda that fits the pea-sized brain of the patriotic clown who swallows it.
     

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