geopolitically, China is our enemy, not Russia! does that make someone a traitor for sayin that?!

[basquebromance]

the US hasn't faced an adversary whose economic heft comes close to matching our own in 100 years, the reagan tactic of bleeding the Soviets dry by forcing it into a disastrous and unsustainable military buildup while denying it access to western loans and technology will simply not work with china.

the chinese elite have studied the soviet collapse, and they are determined to not repeat it.

china's economy is already too large, its military buildup too well-calibrated, and its cyber-raids on our technology is too successful. china is just too good!

 

[Jessica123]

They both are....

Russia has a long history of wanting to destroy America and that is a fact.

 

[basquebromance]

China should never have been allowed to join the WTO. China's goal is not just to become the world's largest economy but to be the world's dominant one, and it is willing to do anything to achieve this...

 

[JoeB131]

the US hasn't faced an adversary whose economic heft comes close to matching our own in 100 years, the reagan tactic of bleeding the Soviets dry by forcing it into a disastrous and unsustainable military buildup while denying it access to western loans and technology will simply not work with china.

the chinese elite have studied the soviet collapse, and they are determined to not repeat it.

china's economy is already too large, its military buildup too well-calibrated, and its cyber-raids on our technology is too successful. china is just too good!

Meh, not really.

China has a decent sized military, and is completely surrounded by nuclear adversaries.

While their GDP is about the size of ours, they have four times as many people, most of them living in abject poverty.

The real concern I see with China is much like the model of 18th Century France, where there's been a great rise in prosperity for some, but most of the rest aren't feeling it.

All that said, we need to look more at improving ourselves. The Chinese are eating our lunch because they invested in education and infrastructure while we were giving tax cuts to rich people.

 

[basquebromance]

the US hasn't faced an adversary whose economic heft comes close to matching our own in 100 years, the reagan tactic of bleeding the Soviets dry by forcing it into a disastrous and unsustainable military buildup while denying it access to western loans and technology will simply not work with china.

the chinese elite have studied the soviet collapse, and they are determined to not repeat it.

china's economy is already too large, its military buildup too well-calibrated, and its cyber-raids on our technology is too successful. china is just too good!

Meh, not really.

China has a decent sized military, and is completely surrounded by nuclear adversaries.

While their GDP is about the size of ours, they have four times as many people, most of them living in abject poverty.

The real concern I see with China is much like the model of 18th Century France, where there's been a great rise in prosperity for some, but most of the rest aren't feeling it.

All that said, we need to look more at improving ourselves. The Chinese are eating our lunch because they invested in education and infrastructure while we were giving tax cuts to rich people.

we need to stop China's outrageous theft of intellectual property, illegal dumping and devastating currency manipulation!

 

[JoeB131]

we need to stop China's outrageous theft of intellectual property, illegal dumping and devastating currency manipulation!

Um.. yeah, about that.

We can solve that problem in five minutes. Look at the labels of where things are made, and if they say, "Made in China", don't buy it.

This isn't fucking complicated.

 

[Mac1958]

Geopolitically, they're both our enemy.

Life isn't binary, one or the other.

 

[basquebromance]

young people look up to china today, because china gets things done!

 

[JoeB131]

Geopolitically, they're both our enemy.

Life isn't binary, one or the other.

Stormy Mac lives in fear anyone has a strong opinion that isn't his.