Gang membership up, but crime dropping??????

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  1. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter BANNED

    Jun 10, 2010
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    WASHINGTON, Nov. 1 (UPI) -- Membership in gangs in the United States has increased by 25 percent in five years but violent crimes, overall, have declined, a survey shows.

    Gangs in the country have about 1 million members, it says.

    Although gang membership traditionally has been a trigger for violent crime, murder and other violent offenses have declined substantially in much of the country, USA Today reported.

    Nationally, violent crime has sunk to its lowest levels since 1973, dropping from 19.3 incidents per 1,000 people in 2008 to 17.1 incidents in 2009, the National Criminal Victimization Survey said.

    "With gangs usually comes a lot of violence; we're looking at this very closely," said John Moore, director of the National Gang Center, a branch of the Justice Department.

    Authorities said the drop in murders and other violence is the result of the imprisonment of high-ranking gang members.

    "We've taken out so many of the leaders -- stone-cold killers -- that it has fractured some of these organizations," said Chicago Police Cmdr. Leo Schmitz.

    Chicago's murder rate is on pace to drop to its lowest levels since 1965. The 343 murders this year are eight fewer than this time last year, Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis said.

    Los Angeles has about 45,000 gang members, up 2,000 since 2008, but murder and other violent crimes there are declining, the newspaper said.

    This year's 232 Los Angeles murders are an 8 percent drop from the same time in 2009 and 24 percent under the 2008 total.

    "We've been very fortunate so far," said Los Angeles police detective Jorge Luis Martinez. "We're going in the right direction."

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    It's called "Don't Report It"! Most big cities pull this crap so they don't lose convention business for their hotels and resorts. It's also fraud because they receive funding based on crimes reported not committed. It also threatens the lives of those who live there.
  2. George Costanza

    George Costanza A Friendly Liberal

    Mar 10, 2009
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    Los Angeles area.
    Makes sense. I can see how cities would be motivated to suppress crime statistics for preciesly the reasons you list here.

    But I'm wondering how that would work, practically speaking. Whenever a crime happens and the police are involved, there is a mountain of paperwork documenting it. Seems to me it would be pretty easy to do an audit comparing crime reported by the city and crime actually investigated (and documented) by the city's police agency (or agencies).

    And, if fraud appears, heads should roll - especially when, as here, the fraud could well result in loss of life to innocent citizens and/or convention visitors.

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