France debates Mosque funding

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    To well understand the problem, you have to refer to the law of 1905 and to administrative laws.

    In 1905, the law of separation of Church and State : the french State got the propriety of all the religious buildings built before 1905 (so, all the great cathedrales, all the ancient churches....not far of all the christian churches and buildings, in fact). And these religious buildings, propriety of the French State, were dedicated to the use of the religion, for eternity.
    And the State got the propriety of the cathedrales, the territorial collectivities of the "simple" churches. in 1905 lots of people thought : "it is an inqualifiable ingerence of the State in the religious life". But after they saw it was a not so bad thing : the State can pay to rebuilt, restaure....the religious buildings.

    But only for the religious buildings built BEFORE 1905 : the most part of the mosquees, maybe all, were built after 1905 : the State can't pay for the mosquees : it would be against the law.

    So the mosquee have not a ot of funds, of money. And then, there are few mosquees for a lot of people, or sick mosquee, not nice, miserable.....
    So, if the State pay for the mosquees :

    - good thing, because the mosquees would be nicer, more able to the religion, and then, it can reduce the risk of extremism - it's ofen in the small and miserable mosquees that the fanatics are.

    - for the egality : thye muslims have the same rights than the other : to have good places to pray.
     
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    It can reduce the risk of extremism? lol ok whatever.
    I'd say if they don't like the setup in France tell em to move back to the shitholes they came from. I would think that building bigger and better mosques would only encourage more to come. But hey if the French want to bend over backwards to try to appease Muslims and let them overrun their country, by all means go for it.
     
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    why do the Muslims not have the right to pray in the same conditions than the Catholics or Christians in general, the Jews..... ?

    You assimilate Muslim (people who believe in Allah and Islam, a normal believer) and Islamist (a fanatic religious, extremist, with a personnal interpretation, wrong, of the Q'ran).
    2 different things.

    You don't compare a fanatic inquisitor of the XVIth C. and a simple catholic of the XVIth. c.
    so don't compare a muslim and an islamist.

    Your sentence was racist and untolerant, in violation of your Constitution, wasn't it ?
     
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    When did I ever state they cannot pray in the same 'conditions' as others? I would think they have the right to privately fund building a church like any other religion.

    Even if my 'sentence' was 'racist and untolerant', its not in violation of my Constitution (What my constitution has to do with France in this case is beyond me). Its my opinion, and my constitution allows me to have whatever opinion I want (We call it Freedom of Speech, not sure if you have that in your socialist country). That means I have the right to say "Piss on all arabs" if I want, however that is not what I stated to begin with.

    My point was, that Muslims culture is so vastly different than that of Christians that some things that are acceptable to them, are not to us, and vice versa. It makes no sense to me for a Muslim to move into a western country and expect that they change the laws to fit their culture. I would say the same thing about Christians moving into Saudi Arabia and demanding law changes to accommodate them. Its absurd. If the muslims are able to live in a country and live with its laws thats fine, worship allah all you want.

    I'm simply giving my opinion in this case in France. Its not my country, so like I said before, if you want to throw taxpayer money at funding more Mosques then go right ahead. Taxpaid recruiting grounds for terrorists, wonderful idea!
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    Seems to me like any time the Muslim population gets angy, the French answer is to throw more money at them. See: http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26344
     

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