France banned all rifles...130 dead in attack on Rock Concert, here...58 killed

[Lewdog]

Not a deflection. You can't compare the two incidents. One had 7-8 attackers, the other had a lone gunman.

Guns and the banning of them is the argument. What does the number of perpetrators in an incident have to do with France banning guns? If anything it proves they are even MORE readily available. You're like trying to walk a drunk through a doorway.

Do you have problems with logic? The two incidents are not alike, therefor they can't be compared.

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

 

[Lewdog]

What does that have to do with the U.S.? Nothing.

Mass murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing only happen to people who don't have guns....that is why it is relevant here....we don't want mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing to happen to us.......

I'm not saying get rid of all guns. What we don't need is when ONE person can get enough guns, and have guns that by himself he can kill 59 people and injure over 500.

And they can simply rent a truck and kill 89 people like the guy in Nice, France, did.....

There are people who own more guns than that guy, and they never use them to commit murder.

Non Sequitur. We aren't talking about mass killings with vehicles, this guy used multiple guns.

No...completely relevant...this guy had an 23 guns with him, he used two and killed 58 people...he went through federally mandated background checks for every gun purchase.....

The guy in France rented a truck and killed 89 people and wounded over 400......

Completely relevant comparison....as is the fact that terrorists on French government, terrorist watch lists got fully automatic military rifles in France, where they are completely banned.....

Gun control does not stop criminals and terrorists from getting whatever guns they want...and even more...even criminals in France get fully automatic rifles...they just don't use them to commit murder...

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

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Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.



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France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.

Three dead in suspected gang shooting in France: source - The Express Tribune

MARSEILLE: Three men were killed in a suspected gang shooting in southern France on Saturday, sources said, taking to eight the number who have died in gang violence in the city this year.

Three others were also injured in the gunfight, which broke out around 10:30 pm (2030 GMT) in Marseilles.

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At least 19 people were murdered in and around Marseilles last year, compared to 18 in 2014 and 17 in 2014, many of which authorities believe were carried out by gangs linked with drug trafficking.

On March 17, a 35-year-old man was killed by two men armed with Kalashnikovs, who ambushed him while driving then gunned him down as he tried to flee
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No, they aren't relevant. People are only using vehicles so much now as weapons to kill people because guns have been more difficult to get.

Now try to write out a list of the pros and cons of a car/truck verses a gun.

 

[2aguy]

Guns and the banning of them is the argument. What does the number of perpetrators in an incident have to do with France banning guns? If anything it proves they are even MORE readily available. You're like trying to walk a drunk through a doorway.

Do you have problems with logic? The two incidents are not alike, therefor they can't be compared.

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

 

[Lewdog]

Do you have problems with logic? The two incidents are not alike, therefor they can't be compared.

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

 

[2aguy]

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Those fully automatic rifles are illegal in Belgium too, genius.......and they are illegal in France....they got them, easily...and all the other criminals in France get them easily too.........What part of illegal do you not understand.....?

 

[Lewdog]

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Those fully automatic rifles are illegal in Belgium too, genius.......and they are illegal in France....they got them, easily...and all the other criminals in France get them easily too.........What part of illegal do you not understand.....?

It really would be nice if you educated yourself more on things like this before you just decided to start a thread, thinking you are making an intelligent argument.


"For E.U. officials, the Paris and Copenhagen attacks this year have confirmed a suspicion that illegal weapons are flowing freely through Europe’s 26-country Schengen zone, which allows near frictionless travel across borders, and that European leaders are lagging behind in cracking down on the trade. “We have so many weapons in Paris,” Christophe Crépin, spokesman for France’s national police union, told TIME a few days after the Nov. 13 attacks. “There are links between organized crime and terrorists, and a route that goes from the Balkans.”"

How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

You should try reading the whole article and more... of course you won't because you think you have this whole thing figured out.

 

[2aguy]

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Dumb shit....it is illegal in both France and Belgium to have military weapons......so the terrorists in France broke the law in both France and Belgium to get their fully automatic, military rifles...with 30 round magazines, as well as fragmentation grenades.....

Guns in Belgium — Firearms, gun law and gun control

n Belgium, civilians are not allowed to possess military weapons, automatic firearms, and their ammunition, concealable firearms, silencers, laser sights, and high capacity cartridges101 102 103

 

[westwall]

Guns and the banning of them is the argument. What does the number of perpetrators in an incident have to do with France banning guns? If anything it proves they are even MORE readily available. You're like trying to walk a drunk through a doorway.

Do you have problems with logic? The two incidents are not alike, therefor they can't be compared.

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

The same laws exist in Belgium too. What part of that do you not comprehend? Eh bucko...

 

[westwall]

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Dumb shit....it is illegal in both France and Belgium to have military weapons......so the terrorists in France broke the law in both France and Belgium to get their fully automatic, military rifles...with 30 round magazines, as well as fragmentation grenades.....

Guns in Belgium — Firearms, gun law and gun control

n Belgium, civilians are not allowed to possess military weapons, automatic firearms, and their ammunition, concealable firearms, silencers, laser sights, and high capacity cartridges101 102 103

C'mon man.. Actual facts confuse them.

 

[2aguy]

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Those fully automatic rifles are illegal in Belgium too, genius.......and they are illegal in France....they got them, easily...and all the other criminals in France get them easily too.........What part of illegal do you not understand.....?

It really would be nice if you educated yourself more on things like this before you just decided to start a thread, thinking you are making an intelligent argument.


"For E.U. officials, the Paris and Copenhagen attacks this year have confirmed a suspicion that illegal weapons are flowing freely through Europe’s 26-country Schengen zone, which allows near frictionless travel across borders, and that European leaders are lagging behind in cracking down on the trade. “We have so many weapons in Paris,” Christophe Crépin, spokesman for France’s national police union, told TIME a few days after the Nov. 13 attacks. “There are links between organized crime and terrorists, and a route that goes from the Balkans.”"

How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

You should try reading the whole article and more... of course you won't because you think you have this whole thing figured out.

Moron....you are making my fucking point......gun control laws in both France and Belgium do not fucking work.......terrorists on government terrorist watch lists were able to get fully automatic, military rifles, 30 round magazines and grenades.........easily..........

You keep making my point about how gun control laws don't fucking work...thank you.

 

[2aguy]

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Those fully automatic rifles are illegal in Belgium too, genius.......and they are illegal in France....they got them, easily...and all the other criminals in France get them easily too.........What part of illegal do you not understand.....?

It really would be nice if you educated yourself more on things like this before you just decided to start a thread, thinking you are making an intelligent argument.


"For E.U. officials, the Paris and Copenhagen attacks this year have confirmed a suspicion that illegal weapons are flowing freely through Europe’s 26-country Schengen zone, which allows near frictionless travel across borders, and that European leaders are lagging behind in cracking down on the trade. “We have so many weapons in Paris,” Christophe Crépin, spokesman for France’s national police union, told TIME a few days after the Nov. 13 attacks. “There are links between organized crime and terrorists, and a route that goes from the Balkans.”"

How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

You should try reading the whole article and more... of course you won't because you think you have this whole thing figured out.

Genius...do you not understand that French nationals were able to easilyl buy illegal guns in Belgium and then take them to France where they are also illegal.....do you get that?

 

[westwall]

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Those fully automatic rifles are illegal in Belgium too, genius.......and they are illegal in France....they got them, easily...and all the other criminals in France get them easily too.........What part of illegal do you not understand.....?

It really would be nice if you educated yourself more on things like this before you just decided to start a thread, thinking you are making an intelligent argument.


"For E.U. officials, the Paris and Copenhagen attacks this year have confirmed a suspicion that illegal weapons are flowing freely through Europe’s 26-country Schengen zone, which allows near frictionless travel across borders, and that European leaders are lagging behind in cracking down on the trade. “We have so many weapons in Paris,” Christophe Crépin, spokesman for France’s national police union, told TIME a few days after the Nov. 13 attacks. “There are links between organized crime and terrorists, and a route that goes from the Balkans.”"

How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

You should try reading the whole article and more... of course you won't because you think you have this whole thing figured out.

So, basically you are saying that those guns are illegal in every country in the EU and yet they were able to transport them all safely throughout the EU with impunity.

And this helps your argument how?

 

[Asclepias]

Guns and the banning of them is the argument. What does the number of perpetrators in an incident have to do with France banning guns? If anything it proves they are even MORE readily available. You're like trying to walk a drunk through a doorway.

Do you have problems with logic? The two incidents are not alike, therefor they can't be compared.

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

You may as well forget talking about weapons with 2aguy. If you get him to see reason you will be the first.

 

[westwall]

Do you have problems with logic? The two incidents are not alike, therefor they can't be compared.

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

You may as well forget talking about weapons with 2aguy. If you get him to see reason you will be the first.

Yeah, we know you don't do facts either.

 

[Lewdog]

Do you have problems with logic? The two incidents are not alike, therefor they can't be compared.

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

The same laws exist in Belgium too. What part of that do you not comprehend? Eh bucko...

I posted why it matters.

 

[2aguy]

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

The same laws exist in Belgium too. What part of that do you not comprehend? Eh bucko...

I posted why it matters.

No....you posted silly things......and I think you just realized how your argument is stupid...and now you are trying to leave.....

I am a merciful guy....I won't make fun of you if you just admit you are off.....

 

[westwall]

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

The same laws exist in Belgium too. What part of that do you not comprehend? Eh bucko...

I posted why it matters.

I must have missed it. So please tell me again how showing how terrorists can get whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, helps your argument.

 

[Lewdog]

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Those fully automatic rifles are illegal in Belgium too, genius.......and they are illegal in France....they got them, easily...and all the other criminals in France get them easily too.........What part of illegal do you not understand.....?

It really would be nice if you educated yourself more on things like this before you just decided to start a thread, thinking you are making an intelligent argument.


"For E.U. officials, the Paris and Copenhagen attacks this year have confirmed a suspicion that illegal weapons are flowing freely through Europe’s 26-country Schengen zone, which allows near frictionless travel across borders, and that European leaders are lagging behind in cracking down on the trade. “We have so many weapons in Paris,” Christophe Crépin, spokesman for France’s national police union, told TIME a few days after the Nov. 13 attacks. “There are links between organized crime and terrorists, and a route that goes from the Balkans.”"

How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

You should try reading the whole article and more... of course you won't because you think you have this whole thing figured out.

So, basically you are saying that those guns are illegal in every country in the EU and yet they were able to transport them all safely throughout the EU with impunity.

And this helps your argument how?

Why? Because it isn't the gun laws in France that makes a difference. It's Globalization and the Schengen Agreement that makes France's law so hard to enforce.

But it seems neither of you guys can understand that.

It's no different than the deal with Chicago. A gun ban in Chicago doesn't really matter if people can drive a few minutes to Gary Indiana and buy a gun and bring it home.

 

[Lewdog]

Do you have problems with logic? The two incidents are not alike, therefor they can't be compared.

Of course things can be compared when they are not alike. What's the point in comparing things if they have to be exactly alike?

They aren't even remotely alike. One was a large group of shooters that were a coordinated attack with others in the city setting off bombs.

No moron.......you had men on government terrorist watch lists...known terrorists....who easily got fully automatic, military rifles......and grenades....in a country where they are completely banned...and they used them to kill over 140 people if you include Charlie Hebdo with the Paris attack.......

Oh my lord dipshit. They were bought by a guy that was not on those lists that had gone to Belgium to get them. What the fuck can you not understand about that?

You may as well forget talking about weapons with 2aguy. If you get him to see reason you will be the first.

What's really confusing, is that Westwall seems to have the same problem with reasoning as 2aGuy does.

 

[2aguy]

It doesn't fucking matter......they are illegal in France..they are banned...in France......and terrorists, on government fucking watch lists got them and they also got grenades, easily.........what don't you fucking understand about that...fully automatic military rifles banned in France and they got them easily.....in another country where you can't buy them legally either.....moron.

Yes it does fucking matter. You can't compare France and the U.S. when it comes to things like, and obviously at this point despite me telling you some of the reason why you still want to stomp your foot like a child instead of actually refuting the information I'm giving you.

Do you know what the Schengen agreement is?

Those fully automatic rifles are illegal in Belgium too, genius.......and they are illegal in France....they got them, easily...and all the other criminals in France get them easily too.........What part of illegal do you not understand.....?

It really would be nice if you educated yourself more on things like this before you just decided to start a thread, thinking you are making an intelligent argument.


"For E.U. officials, the Paris and Copenhagen attacks this year have confirmed a suspicion that illegal weapons are flowing freely through Europe’s 26-country Schengen zone, which allows near frictionless travel across borders, and that European leaders are lagging behind in cracking down on the trade. “We have so many weapons in Paris,” Christophe Crépin, spokesman for France’s national police union, told TIME a few days after the Nov. 13 attacks. “There are links between organized crime and terrorists, and a route that goes from the Balkans.”"

How Europe's Terrorists Get Their Guns

You should try reading the whole article and more... of course you won't because you think you have this whole thing figured out.

So, basically you are saying that those guns are illegal in every country in the EU and yet they were able to transport them all safely throughout the EU with impunity.

And this helps your argument how?

Why? Because it isn't the gun laws in France that makes a difference. It's Globalization and the Schengen Agreement that makes France's law so hard to enforce.

But it seems neither of you guys can understand that.

It's no different than the deal with Chicago. A gun ban in Chicago doesn't really matter if people can drive a few minutes to Gary Indiana and buy a gun and bring it home.

Those guns, as Westwall pointed out...are illegal in all the countries governed by the agreement....all of them.............I get it...you don't want to give it up......

Chicago..again...why do L.A. and New York have lower gun murder numbers than Chicago? Their criminals can't use GPS and leave the state to get guns? The gun traffickers don't know how to drive to L.A. and New York?